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my dear spunkbubble, this is an interesting and worthy topic.

Semiotics is the theory of meaning. Words - written or spoken - rarely have any formal meaning in everyday speech. They are simply short cuts in which the sender and receiver think they have a tacit agreement as to what the short cut means. So, as per my usual example, using the word 'architecture' enables a discussion about buildings, but if there is a need to define what 'architecture' means, it would be easier to list what 'architecture' does not mean, than to define it exactly.

And all word play is based upon the fact that a word is a matrix or frame, and the frame excludes the whole picture. We can never use the whole picture because every conversation would then take years. In fact many discussions here in ET are about definitions - definitions which can never be agreed upon because the cultural context of each writer is so different.

Some interesting facts: Finns often curse the devil or hell - perkele, piru, helveti - which gets no reaction from me. 'Vittu', though, is ugly IMHO, it literally means c*nt, but you can hear it everywhere even on TV.

There are several Native American Indian tribes who have no swearing at all (and neither do they have any concept of the ownership of land, which is why Whitie screwed them so easily in the 19th C.)

Many of my friends use faux swearing - like frikkin' - which is a marker to say we both know what it refers to, but we have not actually used the taboo word - a bit like whistling the tunes of dirty songs.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 01:59:01 AM EST
Many of my friends use faux swearing - like frikkin'

The way I see it, as swear words change/evolve alongside dialects, it's implied that a word will be uttered in an accepted fashion until it becomes a swear word (ie. words don't become swear words overnight, do they?). So even faux swearing, which I also point to above with "biaaatch", is bound to become real swearing at some point (if more and more people opt for it that is, thus progressively abandoning the original swear word behind the faux wod). In this respect, perhaps tomorrow "biaaatch", which was unheard of not too long ago, will become a swear word and "bitch" will fall back to just being a way to call a female dog.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 04:29:12 AM EST
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and we haven't even mentioned Coprolalia yet, let alone touched upon Copropraxia, represented by your first graphic.

I feel an attack of Tourette's coming on...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 04:47:48 AM EST
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Wow! I knew of Alien Hand Syndrome, I knew of aphasia, but I had no clue that such a thing as Copropraxia could exist. It sounds nasty! You white-faced Anglo-Finnish fish-eater, how did you ... oops, Tourette attack, Tourette attack, Tourette attack!
by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 04:53:51 AM EST
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to me baby.

Now that would be an interesting poll on the private lives of ET members. (Oh no, I can't even write 'members' now...)

Alex, I just exercised my powers and bumped you up into recommended. The advantage of a slow day at ET is getting bumped up.

It's a good job Jérôme is playing the slots (even that sounds dirty in the context of mature shows) otherwise he'd bump us up to FP out of sheer bloody-mindedness!

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:07:16 AM EST
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Bumping you up has caused me to go down. I'll have to go and unrecommend - sorry.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:09:41 AM EST
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Alternately I could just recommend you - ok, just did.

Don't we sound like a bunch of Kyoto agreement carbon emission traders? ;)

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:13:58 AM EST
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I just like frikkin with the system - any system.

But thanks anyway!

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:16:27 AM EST
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Well normally I recommend everything (or nearly), but two days ago I said/decided here that I'd stop doing that as it sort of defeated the purpose of recommandation. Since then I've gone the other extreme and hardly recommended anyone.
by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:22:09 AM EST
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Kyoto is my key to the cool club and George Dubya tells the world to go fuck itself.

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by Man Eegee (man.eegee :at: gmail.com) on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:17:29 AM EST
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still down there in the ET list

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:24:01 AM EST
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Are you sure you can say "he'd bump us"?
I think I just heard the censor go beeeeep.

Ah yes which reminds me I didn't even get into the whole censorship thing that's in fashion across the Atlantic.

Family Guy and South Park, two cult & nasty animated series, recently brought this issue up. Family Guy ran a whole episode spefically aimed at censors, in which they said everything the censors would want to discard ... but it was all said in disguised ways (such as "hey babe do you want to have hum with me?"). It was really good - you couldn't miss a single swear word nor offending meaning, despite all the beeps. South Park had a similar episode but regarding the portrayal of Mohammed.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jun 10th, 2006 at 05:20:13 AM EST
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