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The standard of the trains doesn't bother us. Actually about 13 years ago I was in Russia with on a school trip. We were to travel overnight from Moscow to St Petersburg on the Red Arrow...out of 90 of us about 12 of us ended up in carriage where the compartments had 2 beds/seats in each...a little table...quite comfortable really. The next morning after a lovely comfortable sleep we got off and discovered that the rest of the group who were spread over a number of carriages were sleeping in cramped 4 bunk compartments...oops! We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
It is a pity though that trains in general have been 'forgotten' about. You see so much more of a country that way... We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
Trust me: You don't need to stop a single second more. the other attractions are models (you are traveling with your mate) and expensive shops (the stuff can be brought everywhere else in Europe main cities).
I always bitch why foreign tourists need to stop in Milan, when small cities (VErona for naming one) are already more interesting, and a big one like Turin should be head and shoulder above Milan for any tourist in his right mind.
Airport Logistics, I presume. So if you are not bund to it, don't make the mistake: stop over night in Turin, and look at Milan en passant on the way to Venice or Florence. From Geneva, it is a little bit difficult maybe, but from Lyon, Turin makes perfect sense. La répartie est dans l'escalier. Elle revient de suite.
I was never in Milan, so like Migeru, I went by the general good impression of acquitances who recently spent almost a week there.
In Northern Italy, places I have been to and liked: Verona, Valeggio (just a small town with a Germanic castle nearby, somehow lovely), Udine (visited in winter when the air was clear and all the Alps visible, while there it was moderately warm and one could stroll along canals), of course Trieste, Venice and Florence, Pisa, and top favourites Siena, San Marino (well technically not Italy) and nearby sleepy mountain town with castle, San Leo. But Sicily has some much more beautiful towns than those I have seen here. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I don't quite like museums all that much, so when I was in Florence I enjoyed taking trains all over Tuscany more than visiting Gli Uffizi. Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
I did the return trip in a non-sleeping-cabin car (dozens of crammed seats, blaring polka music -which made me spend hours musing about the linguistic similarity between "polka" and "plokho"- and dozens of unwashed people hawking dried fish and cigarettes. And the person sitting next to me had stomache flu.) Nightmare. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
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