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In my planned utopia each person is going to be their own country.

The UK needs some sort of federalist arrangement like that in the US. The issues that make this work poorly are not determining where the authority for certain policies lies (should health care be a federal or state program, for example), but how federal money is to be allocated to the states.

My guess is that underlying all the "nationalism" in the UK is also resentment over tax allocations.

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Tue Jul 4th, 2006 at 11:25:10 AM EST
Yes there is some English resentment that the Barnett formula (which allocates funds to Scotland) is more generous than the equivalent figures in England. The Scots do not want any change which reduces their government grant.

Recently London politicians are complaining that they do not get enough back. The problem is that London Region is the richest part of the UK but also contains areas of considerable poverty.

These arguments tend to degenerate into disputed statistics as to which area contributes most to tax receipts and gets the least back. Everyone uses the facts and assumptions which support their case and ignores the rest.

by Gary J on Tue Jul 4th, 2006 at 01:23:30 PM EST
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But it is not right that it's just tax resentment that underlies the nationalism. It's the easiest argument to use but that is hardly enough to mobilize nationalistic sentiments.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 4th, 2006 at 01:28:11 PM EST
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For more than twenty years North Sea oil collected in Scotland kept the UK economy afloat. I'm not sure if tax redistributions reflected this. But if not, perhaps they should have.  
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 5th, 2006 at 04:18:24 AM EST
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I've noticed that England is now getting uppity now we've hoovered all the oil out of Sctoland's bit of the N Sea. How convenient !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 5th, 2006 at 05:05:48 AM EST
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It is not the only reason for the nationalist movement but, for historical reasons, it is the one that they have used. The Scottish National Party have long shied away from using cultural arguments to further the cause of independance - as a left of centre party they consider the slipper slop to racism.

The money argument is the SNP's frame however. They have long argued that Scotland should be the main beneficiary of the North Sea Oil and Gas.


So, "It's Scotland's Oil" seems to have become "It's Holyrood's oil".

Is it just the same old nationalist argument or is there a bigger economic argument this time?

The revenues Holyrood could expect to line its purse next year alone are estimated at £12bn.

And according to the SNP, this could rise to as much as £300m within 20 - 50 years. And that is just based on "known" reserves.

But critics dismiss the proposal as a non starter. Peter Wood is an Economic Consultant based at Tribal in Edinburgh.

He says the Treasury would never allow Scotland to keep oil revenues that would increase by 50% the money the Scottish Executive currently has to spend.

The bill they are talking about in the article is a bluff. The SNP's real target are the Scottish Parialment's elections next year.

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We're Scots, of course the arguments are money based
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Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying

by RogueTrooper on Wed Jul 5th, 2006 at 04:37:15 AM EST
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We're Scots, of course the arguments are money based
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For Scots read: Catalans, Lombards, Flemish, Bavarians...</snark>

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 5th, 2006 at 05:20:50 AM EST
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The SNP's real target are the Scottish Parialment's elections next year.

I remember this recent story...

The Scotsman: McConnell warns Blair over SNP threat in Holyrood elections (12 Jun 2006)

JACK McConnell has warned Tony Blair that the Scottish National Party poses a "real threat" to Labour at next year's Holyrood elections.

The First Minister's warning coincided with a call from Welsh Labour MPs, who are anxious about the devolved assembly election there next year, for the Prime Minister to quit before next May.

The devolved elections next year are fast emerging as a major focus for concerns about Labour's performance and Mr Blair's position.

Between Blair and Cameron they are going to give us a very interesting 3 years until the next Westminster elections.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 5th, 2006 at 05:42:44 AM EST
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