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When...is the Dublin meetup? THAT would be fun!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 04:29:41 AM EST
PS: Excellent diary, TBG, thanks!! We are all hoping for updates on the political-economic-environmental discussions...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 04:30:41 AM EST
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Vaguely next year I believe.

However, the next scheduled meet-up is at the Nottingham beer festival on 21st October featuring Drew, Metatone, Migeru and myself.

Tutored beer tastings will be available. I am, however, most looking forward to Migeru's reaction to real English cider. I doubt he knows what he's let himself in for.

Any more for any more ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 04:57:01 AM EST
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I am, however, most looking forward to Migeru's reaction to real English cider. I doubt he knows what he's let himself in for.
You should ask Barbara what "real Asturian cider" is like. We took her to a joint in Madrid which served what must have been a home brew and she swears it was like vinegar to her. The rest of us loved it, of course.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 06:28:10 AM EST
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Hmm, well, we'll see won't we ? Personally I don't lke english cider at all, although I 'm fond of perry and have been known to drink crab apple ciders occasiaonlly. They're very entertaining, being bright pink in colour.

ps, me mum reckons it'll be another month before the Bramley cooking apples are ready. But we both agreed that eating E London blackberries wasn't a good idea.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 07:30:13 AM EST
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...and Colman if I can convince him to head over all by his lonesome...

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 08:45:19 AM EST
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and why not your good self ? There's cider or foreign beerif you tink the ale stuff is pooey

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:40:37 AM EST
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Ye olde purse strings...I've an office trip to New York in November which is claiming spare funds...not to mention the lovely concept of Tax Returns in October... BUT! There's always next year...but then again who needs an excuse to taste beers???  Anytime!!

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:03:00 PM EST
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We're going to have to make a stop at the Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem pub -- allegedly the oldest in England -- at the foot of Nottingham Castle, as well, Helen, so that I can introduce you to the beer of the God (assuming it's not served at the festival).  Miguel will have a cider buddy, too, since, aside from Newcastle and Bass, Jen isn't wild about English beer.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 09:59:43 AM EST
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We're going to have to make a stop at the Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem pub so that I can introduce you to the beer of the God

Hardy and Hansons !!??

You're kidding, right ?

Still, I 'spose it's a tourist tick, best done first thing before it gets busy

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:39:14 AM EST
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I have to get used to H&H, since it apparently runs half the pubs in Notts.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:44:08 AM EST
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Well, it's not an awful beer by any stretch. I have friends of otherwise impeccable taste who swear by Kimberley Mild. The bitter's okay, but it's just average is all.

My condemnation is more their poverty of ambition. Real ale is sold as a premium product these days and there are many beers I'd happily pass several pubs to enjoy, but H&H is not one of them. But fret not, nottingham and surrounds is prime drinking country.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:52:50 AM EST
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But fret not, nottingham and surrounds is prime drinking country.

I've heard that, and that it brings in the student-y riff raff from the surrounding towns and cities on Fridays and Saturdays.  Much drinking and trouble-making, as I understand it, and a little too much tension -- even worse with alcohol involved -- between the natives and the Muslim South Asians.  Being a fairly small guy (ask Miguel) with a large mouth (no need to ask Miguel), I'd rather stay away from that sort of thing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 11:29:24 AM EST
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it brings in the student-y riff raff from the surrounding towns and cities on Fridays and Saturdays

There is generally an inverse relationship between quality seeking real-ale wise and troublemaking. If you go to pubs that serve excellent real ales, then you'll find yourself surrounded by affable people.

Trouble makers go for lager lager lager lager, they're a different clientele and don't inhabit the same drinking space. You just have to recognise the (easily-read) cultural signposts eg a huge chalkboard advertising Sky Sports = lager bar. Don't go near.

It's probably no different from london. I don't drink in the centre of town on friday nights, but there'd still be a couple of pubs that are okay just outside of the Circle line worth doing even then. And the further out you go, the greater the likelihood.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 11:47:00 AM EST
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Ah, yes, my beloved Circle Line.  It made our London journey much easier.

My sense is that you're right about city centers.  The pubs in the Nottingham City Center were clearly playing to the lager-drinking clubgoers.  The ones in the "suburbs" -- English suburbs look more urbanized than many of the downtown areas in the US -- were more to my liking.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:04:21 PM EST
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I used to drink snake bites.

In three years of walking home in a rather wobbly and studenty way, I never saw any trouble.

Maybe I was just lucky. (Admittedly, being quite large may have helped on a couple of occasions.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:20:49 PM EST
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Snkebites ? Were you a crusty ?? ;-))

No wonder you've given up booze drinking that filth

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:30:07 PM EST
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I've never had a pint of Kimberley mild.  Suppose I'll have to try it.  I tried Olde Trip, which I believe is a bitter but could be wrong, and loved it.  But, so long as the beer is not Abbot Ale or something that tastes like Abbot Ale (I'd drink Coors before that, and I despise Coors), I generally enjoy English beer.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 11:39:26 AM EST
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We must have a trip to Cambridge. I'll show you a pint of Abbott that'd maybe change your mind. Far as I'm concerned, if one pub (Free Press) can get it so right then the beer is basically good but the cellarmanship is poor.

I blame the sales pitch which says "deliver Grrene king at lunchtime, ready to serve by dinner". It may be clear but it still won't be fit to drink for days, but time is money and a beer sitting in a cellar not being sold is losing money. That's why it's mostly sold in crap condition.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 11:52:12 AM EST
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Maybe.  To me, Abbott Ale seemed to be a mixture of cardboard and maple syrup, but it may have been the result of poor cellarmanship.  I tried Olde Trip, Bombardier, Abbott, Guinness (to get rid of the Abbott taste), and some kind of bitter served at Harry Ramsden's restaurant.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:12:02 PM EST
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hee, rubs hands in glee. Don't worry young man, we'll soon have you on the straight and narrow.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:22:04 PM EST
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Uh-oh.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:57:09 PM EST
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Perfect for contemplation of George and Tony's crusade.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:52:52 PM EST
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My father and I had the same thought while in Notts.  The locals, for some reason, didn't seem very amused when we mentioned it.  Quite a few were apparently Blairites.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 04:26:44 PM EST
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