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Are you saying that sending money to the Hamas government and/or stop sending money to Israel would reduce the risk of terrorism to us?
I doubt that would help us.
It would reduce the pitiable state of the Palestinian people.
Europe has sent billions to the Palestinians in the last couple of years and it did not change!
Hamas may be less corrupt right now, but I am not sure they would spend that money on development.
You forget that in the meantime, Israel destroyed property worth billions (including civilian and police buildings financed by that EU money), and keeps the occupied areas under an almost total blockade that also ruins the economy.
There are controls on that money. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
It would reduce the pitiable state of the Palestinian people. Europe has sent billions to the Palestinians in the last couple of years and it did not change!
In addition, as long as Gaza was under occupation there was no chance of the economy improving.
How long of a respite did Gaza get between Sharon's disengagement and Hamas' election victory? Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
Lebanon has been more successful developing their economy in the 90s than Palestine was in the 90s.
What drives me nuts is this constant focus on the US and Israel. Why do you focus on them?
I never said that the US or Israel are not creating problems. But they are not the only ones to blame for the misery in the Arab world. I am sure you agree. However, in most of your comments, Migeru and Colman and others, you bring up US and Israeli wrong doings. If I may be frank: That is boring.
Can we also talk about Europe's faults and what Europe could do better?
On Gaza, the EU has been extremely engaged, and provided lots of financial and diplomatic support. Remember the Madrid summit and the Oslo agreements? It so happens that, on Gaza, Israel plays a major role. It also happens that the US does too. I don't focus on them, but they're part of the picture, and not exactly in the background either. I have brought up what I think the EU has and has not done, as has DoDo.
I have also given some of my opinion of what Europe does and should do, and its failures. You chose to react to an afterthought mention of UNIFIL, and to the issue of the Mohammed Cartoons. How about
Europe is trying to engage everyone in the Middle East instead of lecturing countries and peoples about values and democracy, endorsing war and occupation, or getting involved in an escalation of diplomatic snubs. The biggests recent failure of European Middle-East policy was getting dragged into an embargo of the Palestinian Authority's democratically elected government. ... There is also the Alliance of Civilisations sponsored by Annan, Erdogan and Zapatero. How's the Euromediterranean Partnership doing? I don't really know, I should read everything under that link. The fact is, the US' middle-east policy is a big part of the problem. What is the Eu doing about it? Rolling over, containment, maybe stalling with the Iranians so Bush doesn't have a clear opening for another war.
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There is also the Alliance of Civilisations sponsored by Annan, Erdogan and Zapatero.
How's the Euromediterranean Partnership doing? I don't really know, I should read everything under that link.
The fact is, the US' middle-east policy is a big part of the problem. What is the Eu doing about it? Rolling over, containment, maybe stalling with the Iranians so Bush doesn't have a clear opening for another war.
Seriously, Spain was the only EU country to send its foreign minister to Syria during the Lebanon crisis. Things are being done on the diplomatic level. It takes time. I am getting bored with you coming in and screaming "WHAT SHOULD EUROPE DO?" "WHAT IS EUROPE DOING?"
Then again, "Europe" is not monolithhic. One of the problems is that it is actually hard to formulate 1) what is Europe's interest; 2) what is Europe actually doing as a unit [never mind which of the various definitions of "Europe" to use]. Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
Sure, but Israel destroying the infrastructure is hardly the only thing that prevents the Palestinians from developing their economy.
What drives me nuts is this constant focus on the US and Israel.
Total economic blockade, barring off farmland behind the Wall, disruption with checkpoints inside the West Bank also have something to do with it, don't you think?
Why do you focus on them?
Because they are there, and because you started your diary with Fischer bringing up the matter.
I did talk about both. I think your criticism is partly justified when considering the sub-thread on the Danish cartoons controversy, but if you are interested in Europe's faults and what Europe could do better, you could have responded to my lines on integration or past terrorism in Europe or UNIFIL. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
One last thought. I don't know how to "defeat the beast". It's not even clear what "the beast" is exactly, different analyses of the problem seems to be confronting a different "beast". It might not even be a "beast", it might be a "hive". And it might be a social movement.
So, when you don't know how to "defeat the beast", you should concentrate on containing it. Some people think they know enough about "the beast" to move on to the kill. I don't. Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
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