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The whole idea that neither Islam, the fucked up regimes in the Middle East, or the long history of European meddling there have anything to do with the current situation, that it rests in hands of one man alone, Geroge Bush, is pretty fairy tale to tell yourself so you can sleep at night (means no scary religious terrorists, no guilt, no responsibility on your part), but it's not going to solve any problems.  You need reality for that.

Where did that come? What drove you to write that?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 09:48:52 AM EST
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There is lot of rhetoric, mostly in America but also in Europe, that Bush is responsible for all these problems.  He's responsible for the current escalation of fear and violence, but colonialism, racism, fundamentalist religion, oil, oil dependance, tyranical regimes in the Middle East all existed before he came along.  

We had all the ingredients for a bomb.  He just decided to use it.  

We need to get rid of Bush, America needs to pull out of its wars and stop this insanity.  But better yet to reform our lifestyles, to acknowledge our past mistakes and try to level the playing field for those we've abuse, to stop our double standards, etc. so that we don't have a bomb sitting around waiting for a nutjob to come along and use it.  And to do this, we, in my humble opinion, need to stop giving religious fundies, on both sides, immunity from responsibility, we need to hold everyone equally accountable for their actions, not just Bush, but those who actively incite hate, and I'm not talking about cartoons but about teaching kids how to make bombs, those who deny having played a role in this, whether by being addicted to resources in the Middle East or by having gone in and fucked things up and left without compensation, or by just sitting by and watching the clock tick and not doing anything to prevent a crisis and then when a crisis happens running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and we must must must provide opportunies to all children to given them better choices in life than to be a terrorist or joining the army.  Sure the idiots calling the shots had good opportunities, but we need to stop their ability to recruit.

That's the only way to end that cycle of violence.

And basically stop treating people like dirt, if we want them to stop wanting to kill us.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:10:51 PM EST
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Which is a long-term project, not a matter of what we can do now.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:13:33 PM EST
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It is never too early to start.  

This is a long term problem; it is going to require a long term solution.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:23:58 PM EST
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There is lot of rhetoric, mostly in America but also in Europe, that Bush is responsible for all these problems.  He's responsible for the current escalation of fear and violence, but colonialism, racism, fundamentalist religion, oil, oil dependance, tyranical regimes in the Middle East all existed before he came along.  

We had all the ingredients for a bomb.  He just decided to use it.

That is actually very dangerous rhetoric, because when Bush is finally gone people will breathe a sigh of relief and think all is well, things will sort themselves out and they can stop being concerned.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:28:57 PM EST
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Indeed.

It's the underlying narrative of 'We own the planet - so fuck you, and give us all your resources' that needs to change.

Bush is just the most visible mushroom head of a much deeper established moral rot among the Western elites.

There's nothing complicated about this. The US is reviled the world over because many of the people in its elites are thieves and criminals, with not infrequent Fascist leanings.

If it stopped its regular scheduled program of invasions, coups, destabilisations, torture camps, extraordinary renditions, and economic pillage, all promoted under the deeply cynical label of 'democracy', the rest of the world might suddenly become more pleasantly disposed to it.

As it is, people know exactly what they're getting. Which - unsurprisingly - is why they really, really don't like it.

Sugar coating the abuse with Mickey Mouse and CocaCola can only go so far when your loved ones have been disappeared, or buried under what's left of a building.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 01:12:06 PM EST
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