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I don't know what the truth is, but I am convinced that the official version is not true. Why should a government that lies when ever they open their mouth, tell the truth in this one thing. Besides there are just to many question marks and unanswered questions.

It makes sense to me what you describe about the pentagon  crash. Just wondering if we will ever find out the truth. Maybe with the internet it might be possible, as information can not be hidden as easily anymore.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 02:21:53 PM EST
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another thing I wanted to "investigate" is that the first plane hitting the World Trade Centre doesn't look like a plane.  The second one does, but the first really doesn't.  Now that I have downloaded the video, I can stop and freeze the frame.  

If you're intested, look at video.google.com

The one I was watching was Loose Change but if you google 9-11, you should be able to get a few others, including those that debunk the debunkers.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 02:25:57 PM EST
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1.  I've gone through the following process:  Initially being in disbelief and offended by the idea that our own govt could do this (many of my friends were suggesting it just weeks after the event.)  To thinking that it was not planned, but gross negligence by the Bush Admin (remember that PDB?).  To thinking they knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it because it would benefit them.  To being open to the possibility, or even probability that the Admin was involved in the orchestration of the event.

I think my best guess right now is that knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it because it would benefit them.

One simply cannot comprehend just how well they have benefitted from the attacks.  Almost nothing this administration has done can be even remotely justified without 9-11.  

But I've always been pretty liberal and pretty open to conspiracies.  I will say this on behalf of the American people: it is difficult to wrap your brain around the fact that the people who are supposed to be protecting your safety, your way of life, your country, are actually out to kill you.  Minorities, draftees, etc have experienced this.  But for most Americans, the idea that we could be attacked, militarily, by our own White House, in a time of peace, requires such a shift of consciousness that it may take decades or centuries to accept that.

It reminds me of a story I heard about Columbus' ships arriving in the Americas and the native peoples not seeing them on the horizon because they simply had no reference in their psyches to recognize them.

Here is a reference to that legend.

I don't know if it is true, but it sounds appropriate to explain much of what is happening now.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 02:35:52 PM EST
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i had that shift happen while watching a documentary on pbs in the 80's (very late at night, when all good drones are slumbering), about the christic institute eand their investigations into cia cocaine smuggling and the huge rise of coke use in the usa.

nancy 'eyes apopping' reagan was touring the schools wisely enjoining the children to 'just say no', like the compassionate soul she was, and there on the tv was a damning document with bush senior's john hancock on it.

right there, on my tv, in america!

i always loved phil donahue and 60 minutes, but this was a whole new level.

i never doubted for an instant that 9-11 was a false flag....it was too spielberg to be anything else...

i still have a touching faith in the moon landing, santa claus and the tooth fairy!

oh yes, and that we will pull our collective cranium outta our collective rear end one fine, sunny day...

9-11 changed everything...i became a news junkie (and stopped reading fiction.....)

i know a third act-opener when i see one, and the stagecraft of this saudi moriarty served as a rousing wake-up call.

to what?

1984 - the sequel?

i'll let you know after a long, refreshing nap...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 08:33:10 PM EST
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