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Hilarious. Multiple eyewitnesses saw the plane flying toward and into the pentagon, but that can all be dismissed and it's a conspiracy because you think the debris trail looks funny, and now you're setting yourself up as the inquisitor. You know what conspiracies theories are good for? Weeding out people with big egos and narrow perceptions of reality.

Heaven forbid we pay attention to real "conspiracies" that aren't even hidden, such as the entire public relations industry.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:59:59 PM EST
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actually, no.  some people saw one type of plane, others saw another, and others something completely different.  any film from surrounding video cameras were seized and the film has never been shown.

I just know what I can see with my own eyes.  That was no airplane.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:03:55 PM EST
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I just know what I can see with my own eyes.  That was no airplane.

You were there and you saw it? Why didn't you say so?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:13:44 PM EST
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no, but I did see the point of impact

there is such a thing as deductive reasoning, in case you haven't heard

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:17:08 PM EST
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The government's confiscation [and failure to release] of all the private closed-circuit TV footage with a chance of capturing the impact doesn't invite confidence.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:06:48 PM EST
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The confiscation of the evidence is probably the best circumstantial argument for a conspiracy.

After Challenger and Columbia - a huge on-the-record public enquiry and engineering effort.

After 9/11 - hey, we're holding on to all the evidence we can, and we'll only agree to set up an enquiry if we're bullied into it. (Although we reserve the right to release excerpts from emergency phone recordings of the Towers whenever there's a politically sensitive moment.)

Where are the photos and amateur video footage of the Pentagon attack?

I'd expect a ground level attack would be much less likely to be filmed than an attack on a tall building, for common sense reasons. But did no one take a photo of an airliner flying an approach run on a public building?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:38:36 PM EST
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That's true. On the other hand, the government's similar handling of (1) the tape from which the three frames that matter were already released, (2) the other parking lot camera that doesn't show much different (both finally released in a FOIA request this year) points to much less spectacular explanations than covering up a conspiracy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:39:15 PM EST
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Not saying your'e wrong, but if you were going to appear to be open and above board, you would have released all of the films at once.

releasing just one and then being forced to release the others through the courts, is an absolutely stupid PR move.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 06:11:54 PM EST
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Goverments tend to do that. In relation to Starvid's "Estonia" thread, in that case the area of the shipwreck was cordoned off by the Navy for a couple of months and civilian investigators claim not to have seen all the evidence yet.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 06:13:44 PM EST
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That's always invited criticism, The fact that it's the camera with what appears to be the worst view of the situation dosent help either.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 06:03:02 PM EST
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