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And you say that no plane has ever vaporised. That's not what I've read, and does not correspond to pictures I've seen of other crashes.

You have not substantiated that assertion in any way (apart from accusing us of not believing you just because you're a woman, and not because you make unproven assertions)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:15:36 PM EST
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well if  you have said it or read it, or anybody else has heard of such a thing, it's news to me

please provide a reference so you can educate me.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:27:49 PM EST
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manon, this is not a direct personal reply to you, but to all in this sub-thread who want to continue it -- couldn't it take place in the Open Thread rather than choke up IdiotSavant's diary?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:37:07 PM EST
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pourquoi ne pas le dire au responsable, pourquoi a moi?

mais est-ce que les Francais, vous etes tous aussi sexistes?

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:40:12 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:47:45 PM EST
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mais il n'y avait qu'un seul nom - le mien.  ou bien ta maitrise de la langue anglaise n'est pas tres bonne  ou bien tu ne te rends meme pas compte de ce que tu fais
by manon (m@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:49:54 PM EST
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  1. I am not French, manon, I am British. Now you know.

  2. I leeched on to your comment simply because it was the last one in the subthread at that moment.

  3. I spoke to you by your name out of courtesy. I wish you would show some.

Now are you and others going to get the fuck out of here and over to the Open Thread???
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:53:36 PM EST
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and I would appreciate the courtesy of not being singled out.  

Firstly, I am not responsible for this discussion on this thread.  Jerome is.  He changed the tone from one of discussion of freedom of speech on this blog to a direct attack on my professional credentials.

Jerome is also the editor of this blog.

If you were to address a single person by name, it would have to be he.

I am only responding to his attacks against me.

I have no idea why you mentionned my name at all, but if you wanted to give me the impression that you were not aiming at me, you did an extremely poor job of it.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 03:58:32 PM EST
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You were not singled out. I explained to you: your comment was at the bottom of the subthread when I wanted to suggest the discussion take place elsewhere, so I used it to address all those who were in the discussion. I said so very clearly in hopes you would not misunderstand. Whatever explanations I give, you still refuse to understand.

So do what you like.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 04:07:37 PM EST
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The thing is, like I said in the last Open Thread, we have no control over the evidence that we have been given. Hence there is no way for us to say, with absolute certainty: "it happened", or "it didn't happen", without making concessions.

When facts/evidence are not 100% consensually accepted, there is no simple conspiracy that's too unreal, and inversely no simple truth that's too unreal. Occam's razor has not been proven yet. In fact Occam's razor applies to Occam's razor, ie. which of the following makes fewer assumptions:

A) Occam's razor is true
B) Occam's razor is either true or false

Just to wink at you Jérôme for the other night, Ségolène's picture on the beach could indeed very well not be one of her. Or could indeed very well be her and the need to question that is then totally silly. I guess it all depends on context, sometimes we are inclined to accept what we are told, sometimes not.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 04:08:17 PM EST
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One last desperate appeal before I go away and shoot myself: this is a huge off-topic subthread which is not fair to IdiotSavant. There's an Open Thread.

What the fuck's going on, anyway? Is there a bad configuration of the moon and Saturn, or is it the equinox, or what?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 04:12:31 PM EST
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Pluto's relegation is causing havoc as you can see.
by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Sep 17th, 2006 at 04:14:35 PM EST
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