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Which means that they'll have a wedding ceremony in a church in addition to that at the town hall (the only one with legal value - you cannot get married in a church like in Spain, you have to go to the town hall before in any case), and that will be the only time they've been to church in their adult lives (well, except for other weddings...).

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 06:31:38 AM EST
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Well, if that's the French understanding of the meaning of Je suis Catholique what is wrong with saying La France est Catholique?

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 06:34:37 AM EST
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La France est Catholique! You're stepping on far-right ground there. It's like Franco talk in Spain.

People say they're Catholic because they were baptized Catholic, and maybe went to catechism, etc. The Church still runs the Birth, Marriages, and Deaths rituals, so people use the Church on those occasions. It's not dissimilar to British attitudes to the Anglican Church. (I'm talking about attitudes, not institutional issues of Church and State).

France is kinda Catholic, but secularism permeates society deeply.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 07:22:36 AM EST
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Ok, La France est une espèce de Catholique.

What you describe is no different from the way things are in Spain, but still Catholic attitudes (traditional values?) inform most politicians on the right and even some on the left. It's just that Spain doesn't carry the banner of world secularism.

There are funny stories about Spain where the Church will often claim over 90% of all Spaniards are catholic in order to get more political clout, on the basis of the number of people baptised. Apparently some guy got sick of this, tried to get sticken off the books (which don't exist in a centralised way, anyway, apparently) and when he realised the church would not officially declare him an apostate he founded an association excomunión y liberación [a pun on comunión y liberación, a political/religious outfit for young catholics and on the similarity of communion and excomunication which is absent in English].

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 07:43:04 AM EST
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Wikipedia: religion in Spain
Roman Catholicism is the most popular religion in the country. According to several sources (CIA World Fact Book 2005, Spanish official polls and others), from 80% to 94% self-identify as Catholics , whereas around 6% to 13% identify with either other religions or none at all [citation needed]. Even though so many Spainards identify themselves as Catholics (80%), only 40% believe in God and 28% go to church [citation needed]. It is important to note, however, that many Spaniards identify themselves as Catholics just because they were baptized, even though they are not very religious at all. According to recent surveys (New York Times, April 19, 2005) only around 18% of Spaniards regularly attend Mass. Of those under 30, only about 14% attend.
Depending on what conclusions you want to draw from it, there's nothing wrong with saying Spain is a Catholic country. It's also very secular.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 07:46:26 AM EST
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INSEE: Pratique religieuse selon l'âge (2005)INSEE: Religious Practice according to age (2005)

2005

Pratique religieuse régulière / Regular religious practicePratique religieuse occasionnelle / Occasional religious practicePas de pratique, mais le sentiment d'appartenir à une religion / No practice, but feeling of belonging to a religionNi pratique ni sentiment d'appartenance / No practice or feeling of belonging

Femmes / WomenHommes / MenFemmesHommesFemmesHommesFemmesHommes
15 à 24 ans9,18,714,613,133,131,043,047,1
25 à 39 ans9,48,019,615,839,035,631,140,5
40 à 59 ans11,57,921,820,039,640,326,030,0
60 ans ou plus23,413,528,923,334,140,812,821,6
Ensemble14,09,422,218,636,937,726,133,5


Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 06:45:00 AM EST
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Studies indicate that about 20% of Americans attend church weekly. The numbers are complicated by gross exaggeration in self-reported participation, by a factor of about 2.
by asdf on Sat Sep 9th, 2006 at 02:18:01 PM EST
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