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That's a compelling view, though, in my view both Calvin and Luther were fundamentalists, and the later more liberal views were a consequence of the 30 Years War.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 05:04:13 PM EST
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You're probably right. I haven't really studied either. But the point goes which I made elsewhere that when one calls them fundamentalists, one should use the word in scare quotes. Back in their day, the idea that the Bible should be taken literally was not all that crazy, since the tension between religion and science was not that great. Luther started a long learning process that ended with modernity, but he wasn't (fully) modern himself.

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by Alexander on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 05:41:13 PM EST
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Luther started a long learning process that ended with modernity, but he wasn't (fully) modern himself.

In my view, that's the central myth of liberal Protestantism, and wrong. While biblical literalism was not that strange for his age, it was still a move aimed backwards not forwards, it included resurrecting the darkest Dark Ages in form of religious persecution and (real) witch hunts (which, contrary to popular wisdom, were worst not in the Middle Age), anti-Jewish pogroms (Luther became a rather crude anti-semite in his old age), and establishment of opressive theocratic communities (Calvin's original wasn't any better than Salem). The learning process libral Protestants ascribe to Luther could really start only once religious absolutism led to disillusion and (unlike during all previous Western Christian internal religious wars) failed to achieve victory by arms.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 06:01:11 PM EST
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Thanks for clearing that up. I couldn't figure out the relevance of the Thirty Years War when you brought it up before. Like I said, I haven't read Luther, or studied much about him. I accept everything you say, and thank you for educating me. (I was never a fan of Calvin's, btw.)

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns
by Alexander on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 06:13:49 PM EST
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