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Sarko is, of course, right about Blair. The relevant question is "is this a good thing".

On the youth employment figures - you know, there is quite a lot of moving parts in the analysis which have relevance. For one thing, formation is different, and student retention as well. And not enough access to elite levels of education in France on top of it all.

There are many ways to address this issue, the important thing is that they be proposed, lest Sarko take up the space ideologically and stake his ground. 20+% youth unemployment is a problem.

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by r------ on Tue Jan 30th, 2007 at 04:41:00 PM EST
begs the question - 20% of what.

The question is - those that are not in the active population - is it for good reasons like studying, or is it because they are discouraged?

See this:

Translated and discussed here:
Facts about the French labor market

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 30th, 2007 at 05:56:42 PM EST
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When I was in the US I "learnt" that when there is a recession enrolment in postgraduate education increases. So, education is both "a good reason" and a sign of "discouragement". How do you disentangle the two?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 03:40:24 AM EST
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This topic confuses and troubles me a lot, because I have some relatives and acquaintances (in their twenties) in France who can't seem to find interesting, stable work, try as they might, except thankless part-time jobs and slavish internships (stages), and I cannot tell whether they are among the unlucky minority, or if they are in fact more representative of that age group.

However, this graphic was somewhat helpful to me:

It seems to indicate that if you are under 26, and do not have a technical or professional degree (Bacs professionel ou technologique), then you will have a higher chance of obtaining a permanent work contract (CDI) if you continue studying until you get a "graduate degree" (Deuxième cycle), and even more chance with a post-graduate degree (Troisième cycle) -- assuming I'm reading it right.

If that is general knowledge young people, and if higher education is free (which I believe it is in France by and large), then presto, you have 60% of 15-24 year olds enrolled in school trying to get higher and higher degrees.

The chart would help a lot more if it gave percentages of people who have each respective level of education.

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by marco on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 06:13:21 AM EST
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Interesting that those statistics don't distinguish the Grandes Ecoles from the University, which seems to be an important factor in access to good jobs.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 06:17:51 AM EST
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