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Pensions system are an element of salary, and one may have chosen to work at the SNCF or RATP knowing that the pension plan would be better, and thus maybe accepting a lower wage.

This is a hugely important point, because it represents the opportunity to attack the neo-libs with their own rhetoric.  In the the logic of the neo-libs, the opportunity cost lost through the imposition of regulation is said to represent a takings of private wealth by the state.  

So when a company is forbidden to pursue a business opportunity, let's say that a company views laws banning certain chemical substances as forcing them to suspend production of something that they make.  This is said to be theft, a takings.

Yet when working men and women forego wages in order to receive pension payments, and an employer later reneges on paying out those benefits there is not said to be a takings.


The rights of individuals matter less than the rights of impersonal wealth lacking the most basic requirement for human rights: Humanity.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 10:07:26 AM EST
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Ce chiffre est sur toutes les lèvres. Nous avons tous calculé notre droit à pension. Maintenant et après. Nous ne partirons pas tous avec le maximum. En ce qui me concerne, je peux partir à 55 ans avec une retraite proportionnelle. Dans l'état actuel, je pourrai prétendre à environ 1300 euros par mois. C'est pas énorme mais je le savais en entrant à la Régie. Avec la décote, je perds 500 euros par mois. Je pourrai donc partir à 55 ans avec 800 euros par mois. Il me faudrait donc partir à 60 ans pour ne plus avoir de décote mais toujours pas le maximum d'annuités. J'ai pu me planter dans les calculs (suis nulle en maths) mais ce chiffre de 500 euros en moins par mois correspond à ce que tout le monde a calculé car ils ne sont plus si nombreux ceux qui partent avec le maximum d'annuités. This number is on all mouths. We all computed our new pensions right. Now and after the reforms. We won't all take the maximum pension. I can leave at 55 years old with a proportional pension. Right now, I can get 1300€ a month. That's not a lot but I knew it when joining RATP. With the reforms, I'll lose 500€ a month. Thus I'll be able to leave when 55 with 800€ a month. I'd have to leave at 60 not to get a reduction of my pension, but I still won't have the maximum contribution number. I could have make a mistake in the computation (I'm bad at maths) but this 500€ figure is what everybody computed, since only a few still retire with maximum contributions.

That's the amount of money these workers are losing... quite staggering. Living on 800€ a month is very tough in France, impossible near Paris if one wants any comforts.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 11:34:25 AM EST
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If they want comforts they can work: there are shelves to be stocked after all.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 11:36:20 AM EST
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