We have a new Treaty for Europe | 134 comments (134 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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How many referendums do we get? Ireland for one ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 05:39:07 AM EST

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Depending on the text.

I'm not in favour of referending a technical text like the former Constitution.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 05:52:33 AM EST
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I'm assuming we'll have as few as they can get away with. The Irish one is required by the constitution here, so that can't be avoided, but it should be passed easily enough if the pro- parties (i.e. almost all of them) actually try to push it.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:13:53 AM EST
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France also has a constitutional mandate. Brown will try to avoid it with a little help from the Lib Dems. The Danes are asking for one, and there was a recent poll (I saw it in the Salon) saying that a majority of people in DE, FR, UK, IT and ES all wanted a referendum.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:23:00 AM EST
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The poll

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by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:29:26 AM EST
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Less than 20% of respondents even knew what was in it.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:35:05 AM EST
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I bet you less than 40% of the parlamentarians who will vote to approve it know either. Not that they would admit to it, obviously...

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:36:28 AM EST
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Hahahaha!...

Would Tony Bliar make a good full-time EU President?

25% Yes 75% No

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 07:21:53 AM EST
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The Danes are asking for one... (4.00 / 5)

...but whether we'll get it is still up in the air. Fogh has been doing his damnedest to make sure that it's not constitutionally mandated, and I am of the distinct impression that he would prefer to simply ram it through parliament - fortunately his government doesn't have a working majority on Union policy (the Popular Party is euro-skeptic) so avoiding a referendum is going to require the co-operation of the opposition. It really comes down to whether the Social Democrats and Social Liberals think it'll hurt or help them in the coming general elections to hold a referendum. If either of those parties believe that not holding a referendum is beneficial domestically, the treaty can be rammed through parliament (although I'm not sure what the fallout for the current government would be vis-a-vis the Popular Party).

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 10:20:24 AM EST
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Germans certainly won't get one.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 12:06:47 PM EST
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No other referendums are definite yet, according to the EUobserver:

Mr Fogh Rasmussen is meeting with UK prime minister Gordon Brown, who himself is also resisting domestic political pressure for an EU referendum, in London on Wednesday (10 October).
Both leaders are keenly aware that a decision to hold a referendum in either country could create a domino effect and put pressure on the other.
So far, only Ireland has said it will definitely have a referendum. The Netherlands - another country where a referendum had been a possibility - recently said it would not have a public poll.

Denmark and the UK are both countries where there is a lot of pressure to hold a referendum, but where the leaders are set against it.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:31:58 AM EST
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Because they believe they would lose it. They don't really have it in them to campaign forcefully for the Political Europe.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:33:43 AM EST
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Brown would probably lose it no matter what he does. Anders Fogh Rasmussen, I don't know. Not that I hold him in that much higher regard, but euroscepticism is a different beast in Denmark.

The leader of the Czech Republic also seems opposed to a referendum. See MEP Richard Corbett, here.

The reform treaty does not establish anything like the Political Europe. It is what Blair already claimed of the constitutional treaty. A clean-up exercise.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:53:56 AM EST
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Some callings for referendum in Sweden. The left, the greens, some parliamentarians from the Center, a former EU-parliamentarian from the liberals, and they will get support from some among the Soc Dems.

Highly doubtful though. The people are sceptic about the EU, things has (contrary to predictions) been going good since joining the euro was voted down, odds for a no vote are high.

I would say it mostly depends on how much internal pressure for a referendum - or rather for a no - the leaders of the Center party and the Christ Dems face. Those two parties are in the government and if they face revolt on this issue holding a referendum could be a way of defusing it.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2007 at 09:30:12 AM EST
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