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Beatroot also reported a target time of 22:55 CE(S)T for announcements. Also a mistakenly shown exit poll graph without names given, showing a large advantage for the winner -- it seems the neoliberals can form a government on their own.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:10:53 PM EST
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It's bad we're rooting for the pro-business parties, but what can you do when crazies are the alternative?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:11:34 PM EST
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Indeed, just as Marek argued anno. Unfortunately, they aren't just pro-business hyper-reformists, but enthusiastic hyper-Atlanticists, too... in that worse than the Twins.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:15:14 PM EST
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Atlanticist they may be, but Tusk has said he'll pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 10:28:22 AM EST
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And they said they will adopt the European charter of fundamental rights...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 10:39:01 AM EST
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Does that leave the UK as the sole refusniks on that then? The Irish government muttered about not ratifying it then ran away screaming when everyone looked at them funny ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 10:40:36 AM EST
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The UK don't want no stinking rights. British liberty is the residue of concessions made by our ancient rulers, which our present masters have not got around to withdrawing yet.

I am sure Tony Blair thinks that the biggest mistake he made was to enact the Human Rights Act 1998 (extending parts of the European Convention of Human Rights into UK domestic law).

The last thing the British ruling class wants to do is add additional barriers to executive authority.

However to say something about Poland, it is a good thing if they wish to adopt the Charter of Fundamental Rights.

by Gary J on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:06:50 AM EST
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Yes, it looks like UK will remain the only EU member state in which the Charter will not be legally binding.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:12:39 AM EST
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He didn't, a party rep said after the election that this is the aim.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 04:32:40 PM EST
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Which, I add, might be a way of extorting something from the US; what Tusk told in the television debate was that Poland got nothing back from serving along the US.

(BTW, beatroot thinks that, while the US and Britain didn't, Poland did join for oil: in one post he quoted explicit words from government persons on a hope for oil contracts.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 22nd, 2007 at 04:35:10 PM EST
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What I am really happy about is the elimination of the PiS's former coalition partners, especially the Catholic-conservative and barely crypto fascist madmen of LPR.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 05:42:10 PM EST
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Incidentially, which meaning of "liberal" did you mean in your description of The Beatroot?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:13:03 PM EST
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Well... cosmopolitan-urbanite-liberal. A social-liberal/neolib distinction is not helpful here. He criticised the Civic Platform and Tusk for not being liberal enough (on social-cultural matters). But he praised Barroso as one great politician -- for endorsing low-budget airlines. E.g., not really our kind of progressive.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:23:12 PM EST
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