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by technopolitical on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:15:13 PM EST
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If either of these things happened, there'd be another revolution. Politically, the President could not survive, even till next november. If he wan't removed by Congress, he'd run a serious risk of finding himself facing a wet-detail of aggreived citizens behind the WH who'd deliver more summary justice.

It's why I genuinely think the American Empire will fall if they cross the Euphrates into Iran.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:30:39 PM EST
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You're dreaming. Most Americans would rather blame the Iranians for fighting back rather than put the blame on the President.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:33:24 PM EST
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as evidenced by his approval rating?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 04:37:03 PM EST
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How do you think it might change if US forces were badly damaged by the dastardly Iranians? Sure, it could go either way, but if you've got nothing to lose and everything to win ...

And don't start getting all defensive about it: it's not as if it's unique to USians - look at the crap Europe is taking from its leaders.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 04:42:20 PM EST
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I can just see 24 hours a day the legend "The new 9/11" streaming across the bottom of tv screens, with all the blame being put upon the revolutionary guard.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 04:46:20 PM EST
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That sort of nationalism will play, yes, but will be countered by the American public's current distaste for war, which started ratcheting up after the 04 election, and was definitely on display in last fall's election.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 04:58:07 PM EST
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That's not going to lead to impeachment or mobs with pitchforks though, which is where this started. Americans may be most peeved, but they won't do anything.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 05:02:09 PM EST
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That comes during the next depression. I don't know who is going to get pitchforked, though. We live in dangerous times.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 05:20:56 PM EST
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so going back to the Hitler comparisons in the other discussion, if he crosses the Euphrates, then Baghdad becmoes bushes Stalingrad?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:34:51 PM EST
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But there's noone about to invade Berlin.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:36:07 PM EST
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My moneys on Canada and Mexico

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:36:54 PM EST
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heh.  Where are the Soviets when you need them?

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by poemless on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:38:20 PM EST
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How true.

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by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:52:05 PM EST
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Politically, the President could not survive, even till next november. If he wan't removed by Congress, he'd run a serious risk of finding himself facing a wet-detail of aggreived citizens behind the WH who'd deliver more summary justice.

OMG, have you found our System of Checks and Balances in your couch cushions or something?  I've been looking for those for alomst 7 years now.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:37:22 PM EST
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I think she's been reading historical novels again. That sounds like the famous bodice-ripper "The Constitution of the United States of America".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:39:19 PM EST
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yes we have, but you're going to need new batteries.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:39:46 PM EST
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Map.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 12:38:33 PM EST
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Oooops

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 01:03:12 PM EST
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With Bush at the helm and his outstanding geographical knowledge, you may be accurate, and the biggest thing keeping us safe is him arranging an attack over the wrong river.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 02:05:05 PM EST
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A Bridge Not Far Enough.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 02:44:24 PM EST
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So is it called Euphrates or Tigris down there close to Basra where they meet and form the Iraq-Iran border?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 05:15:13 PM EST
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Checked the map properly, Shatt al-Arab is apparently what you cross charging from Iraq to Iran.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 05:16:40 PM EST
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