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After a tunnel collapsed five days ago closing six regional rail networks and producing the biggest mess-up in barcelona ind ecades (with car lines of 20-30 km .. at an average speed of 10 km/h in highways furin all the morning)... today a train station collapsed.. of course the train station was beside the constructiona re of the high spped train (AVE)

You can see the amazing video here...

http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20071026/53405954197.html

I think Fran will ahve to deal with it tomorrow int he salon...the videos on Tv are relly amazing...

Luckily the area was closed to the tunnel that collapsed and therefore the station was out of order with no train in circulation .. so nobody was injured...

No High speed construction in Barcelona any more.. furthermore.. the social democrats can take the money and the contract out of the construction company...

Train news are full front-pages in Spain... it is sad... but I must say that the relevance of traisn is coming to light fully.... this is the only bright side of this horrible mess which becomes scarier but the moment and calls into question a social democrat government who gave a damn a bout trains fromt he beginning......

Oh.. and did I told you that the person in charge of public works (minister) is a complete nerd... and inept person...Plus the construction company head is a huge supporter of the right-wing aprty .. plus the company is the courts asking the government for money due to an expropiation of some of its assets in the north (realted with a mining company)....

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Oct 26th, 2007 at 04:49:49 PM EST
No High speed construction in Barcelona any more

That wasn't precisely how I read the article - granted, my español isn't as sharp as it once was, but the article suggested that the Ministry of Public Works was bowing to pressure from the Generalitat to fire the contractor in charge of finishing the AVE line to Barcelona - with an indefinite delay, but still plans to finish up.

After all, as I understand it, the line is very nearly complete - I can't imagine they'll simply give up now.

I'm not that familiar with the politics of rail in Spain - I know the PSOE under Felipe González got the first AVE line up, but does the PP take an overtly hostile line toward high speed rail?

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by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Fri Oct 26th, 2007 at 07:03:32 PM EST
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it seems now that they give up until further notice..
...the delay was supposed to be moemntary.. like a couple of weeks..now who knows?

Regarding trains.. tboth PSOE and PP do liek AVE.. they both like it.. becuase they want madrid to be the epicenter of conenctivity and linking Madrid to all the areas of Spain radially was in the agenda...surprisingly the execution of the works never was so good as the first one... all with delays, extra-costs... but trains.. investemnt in real train which take people out of caras.. NUOP Nobody cares ..regional trains, city trains, and so forth.. noone gave a damna shit.. no money in 10 years..completely underfunded everywhere .. in Madrid the president and major decided to spend all the extra money they got for "capitality expenditures" to increase and mantain the network.. the rest of Spain did not ahve the money nor the interest to divert money form other sources to avoid the collapse...

The disregard for the local trains in Spain is infinite.... or was...because people are now pissed not bacuse the AVE stops it cosntruction (everybody want s the fuck.... construction work to stop until someone grown up takes cahrge) but because the lcoal and regional railway network collapsed.. due to the works... and after the network collapsed the highways collapsed (in the south of Barcelona)

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Oct 26th, 2007 at 07:26:36 PM EST
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I think that's an exaggeration. While Barcelona's system wasn't upgraded, there have been Cercanías expansion/upgrade projects in many parts of Spain, from Cádiz to Gijón, resulting in significant growth of passenger numbers, and the new CIVIA trains arrived even in Barcelona. I think the primary field of neglect was branchlines.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 05:26:58 AM EST
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There was soem train xpansions in areas that could getfunding form the UE.. in any other are.. nothing .. nip zero..  (I mean extrmelly low amounts)..

The balearic island who should have a train system long ago ahs nothing..a nd the new rban line collapsed too under water and it is not fucntioning.

valenica had some projectes started in the 92-94... and there were completed slowly afterwards.

The intereegional train system is a shame and there has been no upgrade except for the Ave-realted lines...

But of course  I have toc ompletely agree , the branchlines were the most... and probablyc atalonia the worst of the worst.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 07:35:47 AM EST
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On the Madrid-centeredness of AVE, I note that while in opposition, PSOE thematised this (I read multiple articles to that tune in the raiway media), to which Aznar responded by announcing some more radial projects -- chiefly the one along the Northern coast (which would probably be very uneconomic).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 05:30:38 AM EST
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some more radial orbital...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 09:46:49 AM EST
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kcurie:
I think Fran will ahve to deal with it tomorrow int he salon...

Well, thats not easy - I there is nothing in English on this story. :-(

by Fran on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 02:51:12 AM EST
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by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Oct 27th, 2007 at 05:13:28 AM EST
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