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This is a complete strawman argument.
And so was yours bringing up the nurses as an argument in favour of reducing compensations for train drivers. Look, I would be for taking an honest look at working hours, retirement details, etc. If I thought it would be an honest look. As in, we (the people) ought to have the option to consider productivity growth translating to shorter work-time commitments and, yes, along with that, fewer toys, and slower development of toys.

I see huge cuts of production as necessary for the 'west' to live within its means. And huge cuts in the externalisation of costs, in particular when those externalities are in effect off-shored to developing nations. Maybe we should not look to increase the quantity of goods, but rather the quantity of free time? Maybe all the noise about 'accelerated rates' of 'growth' being beneficial and good and necessary ought to be examined as well?

To what end are we pursuing 'growth'? I remain unconvinced the striving for the most 'dynamic' most 'innovative', most 'productive' 'economy' (or whatever are the buzzwords of today), when this seems to translate in a large part to an exploitative, resource heavy, pollution producing, worker abusing, greed promoting 'society'. And, no, I don't buy the idea that we need growth to have a healthy 'economy', and that this is an end in itself. The 'economy' is there in the service of the people, not the other way around. And, no, I don't think we need more job creation. (A benefit often pointed to as an argument for 'market' 'liberalisation' and 'reform'.) I think we need less time spent at work, and a more equal distribution of that work. Some amount of economic isolationism might be a good idea in the pursuit of the less work intensive society. I don't have a problem with high levels of taxation.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Nov 19th, 2007 at 08:14:47 AM EST
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A strawman argument is coming up with something that frightens but does not really exist.

So, you are saying that nurses don't really exist. Congratulations.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Nov 19th, 2007 at 11:33:59 AM EST
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No, it is coming up with something irrelevant to the issue at hand. I.e. nurses' compensation against train driver privilege.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Nov 20th, 2007 at 02:23:29 AM EST
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Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.


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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 07:27:56 AM EST
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