Oh, you're quite right. We are never going to agree. The point of debating, however, is not always to persuade but to have people challenge your beliefs.  I have come to the right place. There's a nest of socialists here.  And socialism is totalitarian in nature.  Most socialists are envious of other people's wealth. They feel rather helpless in a capitalist economic system so they seek to destroy it.  Interesting how all the people you could choose to right in, you chose someone who seems to have those leanings.

Edwards is not totalitarian though.  His "Two Americas" is probably in line with your politics. Of course, I like how he is carving out his multi million dollar mansion in a forest miles away from civilization.  He will live in a large estate off the beat track while all the commoners live in the suburbs and cities.  All while he is preaching about two americas.

Vote Obama. I dont agree with anything he says. But there is no doubt that he genuinely believes in his philosophy. I can respect that at least, as to say, Hillary or Edwards.

Terry