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Perhaps some one would like to comment on this item from the NY Times is the context of this thread:

Denmark Feels the Pinch as Young Workers Flee to Lands of Lower Taxes

Young Danes, often educated abroad and inevitably fluent in English, are primed to quit Denmark for greener pastures. One reason is the income tax rate, which can reach 63 percent.

"Our young people are by nature international," said Poul Arne Jensen, chief executive of Dantherm, a maker of climate-control technology. "They are used to traveling and have studied abroad."

"They are no longer Danes in that sense -- they are global people who have possibilities around the world," he said.

Have the young decided that cash now is more important to them than a secure social safety net? What happens when they need the services that that their taxes would have paid for?

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 12:55:52 PM EST
Complete bollocks, IMHO.

Young Danes have been leaving Denmark; Kiwi's leaving NZ; Brits leaving the UK and so on in increasing numbers not because of taxes but simply because they can

It used to be that it was only the Aristo's could do the "Grand Tour". We're seeing a window of cheap travel and communications that are opening up society as never before.

NYT should be ashamed of themselves.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 01:23:36 PM EST
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Well perhaps the NYT has a need to portray advanced social market economies like Denmark as somehow sclerotic and failing to inspire their young, but I see far less Irish people emigrating to the US now than they ever did before.

It is understandable that young people should want to extend their international experience and be more focused on cash now rather than pensions and social/health care benefits later, but I suspect most are moving within the EU.

The global economy is increasingly a reality for all.  The danger is that some countries will end up with a disproportionately aged population and the much greater social expenditures and taxes that flow from that - further accentuating the flow of young people from their tax nets.

The development of EU wide pensions, social welfare and health care system would seem a logical extension to avoid such "market distortions" but we are talking serious money here, and therefore serious room for political disagreements.

It is difficult to see huge changes in this area without agreement to some kind of European Government as opposed to a mere EU Commission.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 01:24:40 PM EST
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Are there any stats given which show an increase in young Danes moving abroad, much less because of taxes?  Say compared to the nearly a thousand Danes who worked in california windpower in the 80's, or the 4,000 or so Danes who work around the world for Vestas now?

And if low unemployment indicators are actually an indicator, Denmark is not feeling any pinch.

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by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 01:46:23 PM EST
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That's something we regularly hear. Personally, I think it's bollocks. We do have net emigration of people just after they finish their degrees, but it is worth noting that the net emigration is quite small compared to the size of a youth cohort - rhetoric suggesting massive migration notwithstanding.

It is also worth noting that Denmark is very much in the periphery of our civilisation when it comes to science and culture. Cities like Berlin and Paris and universities like MIT and Berkeley surely account for some of the pull.

Further, it is not helping matters that Danish immigration policy is harsh - often unduly so. While that may not make people flee Denmark (but then again, it might - I have at least one friend who's moving to Malmö because the Danish immigration rules prevent his girlfriend from immigrating) it certainly reduces the inflow, thus contributing to the net emigration.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 02:36:11 PM EST
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It's a study (sic) with n=1 and the usual "employers and economists" trotted out as supporting evidence.


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by ATinNM on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 10:04:24 PM EST
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I keep reading about how French people in London are proof that young Frenchmen are fleeing the French sclerosis and high taxes.

Well, my wife and I will be moving to London in the Autumn. May I make it clear that it is not for Economic opportunity. There will probably be even less growth in London than in France (despite Sarkozy's best efforts to copy all the stupid mistakes made elsewhere, while adding some of his own) next year, and we will pay more taxes.

But we had been wanting to try living abroad for 4 years and that's the first time that we could do it at the same time, also it's easier to do before you have several children in class. And I am very uncomfortable living in a country that has Sarkozy as its head of State.
Now, well, English is the only other language we both speak, London is quite convenient if you don't yet feel like going really far away from your families, and we are quite fond of quite a lot of the country. So DESPITE disapproval at much of the political climate there, we will go (and surely return after a few years). I have no doubt, though, that in articles we will read that departures like ours are a proof that France must change.

Still, despite not speaking the language, had Sweden had more light in the winter and been a bit warmer, we'd probably go there instead.

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by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 1st, 2008 at 04:58:47 AM EST
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