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There was nothing spiritual about the church I grew up in...it was just a bunch of unhappy folks.

Watching the sunrise while driving up the pacific coast highway near big sur...now that's the church that gets me "what I need."

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 03:33:55 AM EST
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Um... which direction does the sun rise from on the west coast of America?  These days in Norway, it comes up from the south (sets in the south, too), so I have an open mind about such things.
by Andhakari on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 07:52:24 AM EST
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Well, he didn't say he was watching it rise over the ocean, just watching it rise.  It does have to come up, even on the West Coast....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 08:05:52 AM EST
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It has been empirically proven that the sun does indeed rise in Cali, and there is no finer place to see it than from the heights of Big Sur.  (When the fog isn't rolling in, sunsets over the ocean can be even more spectacular.)  One of my favorite places in the world, because the world is so far away.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 08:22:25 AM EST
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Well, if you're going to bring up standards of empirical proof in the context of a discussion of religion I may as well give up now.
I've been to California a number of times, including Big Sur, and although I do seem to recall the sun rising on most days (not so often the case here in Norway) I have no recollection of which direction it might have risen from.  I will accept the contention that sun does not always rise from the sea, however.
by Andhakari on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 09:56:31 AM EST
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Big Sur is about 36 degrees North. Oslo is about 60 degrees North. The earth's axis is tilted by 23 degrees. Of course the sun rises and sets from the South in Norway: you're at most 7 degrees south of the terminator at this time of year.

See Lo The Darkness by rg on December 19th, 2007.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 31st, 2007 at 08:21:17 AM EST
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