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by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:06:03 PM EST
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And movable type.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:07:04 PM EST
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True enough :-)

Actually, this reminds me... Jon Worth did another survey of the Euroblogs recently (well, August, but he's keeping it up do date), said he didn't get the point of Eurotrib. I guess for someone not coming from a community blog (or: usenet) it can be a bit chaotic.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:21:28 PM EST
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Well, my experience with scoop sites is that a lot of people don't get it. (It's like marmite, love it or hate it?) Largely because the URL "www.eurotrib.com" doesn't replicate the universe of one blog, but an entire blog hosting system. In essence, eurotrib is technorati+blogger on a smaller scale. (Although livejournal is closer to the functionality than blogger.)

Also, Jon Worth is not a blogger, he's a politician. For him the point of blogging is largely advocacy, so online communities are bound to confuse him.

Incidentally, seeing that post reminds me, have you looked at http://www.mypacis.eu/ at all?




by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:35:30 PM EST
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Jon Worth is/was also a web designer :-) and there is some advocacy here, besides the light stories and heavy analyses...

Didn't know Myspaciseu, thanks! Certain ideas of Europe, certainly. Got it on my blogroll.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:51:40 PM EST
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Even worse, the average web designer understands nothing about web communities... ;-)
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:59:00 PM EST
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Perhaps they should read This book then

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 04:01:49 PM EST
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Looks like a good place to start.

To qualify all my ranting so far:

a) Most web designers aren't great with "community" concepts because being a designer has largely been more about designing communication artefacts than communities in the past, so why would they be expert in such things, given a traditional design education?

b) As a result (and this is why I classify Jon Worth as having a politicians view of web communities) they don't really understand the notion of "building a community" and for them, blogging is an experience by which they "do their stuff" and the community "just happens." The politician in Jon Worth goes a step further and says the point of "doing your stuff" is to advocate, rather than just pontificate...

c) The key point is that the purpose of ET is largely, well, to be ET. There's a lot of hope for the future and people join because it helps them do things they want to do (publish articles about peak oil, or whatever floats your boat; or develop and refine their own understanding of various issues). In a way this whole diary is about how to begin to pull out elements of the content generated and turn it into something for advocacy.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 04:10:39 PM EST
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