Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
I will at some point go back and read over these threads again, and also check if I missed any part of this nice fight over the passed two/three days. (travelling)
I found those threads, and the arguments invigorating and fun! Yes, all of the comments, from all sides! Even the ones in all caps, and the ones that were maybe less than curtious. Let's do it again someday! When some topic about which one is passionate comes up, I cannot see why one would not reply with passion. Is there any reason we  should all have to agree on this site? I hope not, a plurality of views should exist. But, this means that in the case of passionatly held views, some flame-war type events might happen. Nothing wrong with that! Flame away, and occasionally try to put some good stuff in there too. I would like everyone to occasionally be able to flame away without concern for wheter or not the other person might find whatever it is hurtful. We are all big boys/girls, right? We can take some hurt, some insult and still stay on, maybe? Just because someone offends some things you believe in, this is not a reason not to be friends? My personal approach is to respect the believer, but not the belief. Esp. when it comes to myscticism, religion, and related topics. Fuck PC, etc. So, this is my appeal: Can't we all just disagree, and yell about it loudly, and sometimes angerily and rudely, and still be friends??
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 02:01:21 PM EST
OK, daring, bright light!  You say it now that I have finished a crummy job?  Not my turn.  (;  

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by metavision on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 02:56:36 PM EST
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For one, I have not seen the the discussed thread so I do not get anything of what is going on here. (That is what happens when you leave your computer and go away for the yuletides.)

But second, I get little information from the yelling part. And generally it tends to deteriorate into one-up-manship and take the form of a game where it is about winning and not understanding. Some find it funny. As a rule, I do not.

For an example of how bad it can get I recomend this video. (And also because it is quite funny.)

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:00:16 PM EST
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You know, I'm glad we don't have any people who feel the urge to post a "first" comment on diaries. Over at escolar.net it gets pretty tiring.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:04:59 PM EST
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Can't we all just disagee?
I disagree

You are wrong, btw! Conflict is essential to progress. I am not going to back this statement up with anything, but just present it as an assertion.

Games are fun, I generally enjoy them. What are interactions with other people if not games? In which we are never quite sure what the response will be, but can amuse ourself with trying to predict it, amaze at how right or wrong we were. I don't see what makes the empassioned debate, aka 'flamewar', different than other exchanges. Often people are just so unfortunatelly squeemish about disagreement, especially when it seems to be over a fundamental point. I think this is in particular important for the left, to disagree on things each party feel important, to yell and fight about it, and to still carry on a strategic allience with mutual respect despite or because or unrelated to the disagreement. Crucially, it is respect for the person, not for his/her opinions, which one might occasionally find daft.

(Didn't see the video, I don't think the computer I am on can handle such fancy modern wonders.)

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 03:25:23 PM EST
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