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Based on the diary, it seems you are starting two contradictory entities:

  1.  A Land Investment Company
  2.  A Intentional Community

or you're pitching the project that way.

Assuming your goal is 2:

a.)  What is the economic basis?  The area is 60-100 miles from Portland which is too far for a daily commute without some car pooling or 'mass' transit system.  Is it to be (primarily) a retirement home?  If so, what is the medical/hospital infrastructure of the area?  

b.)  What is the projected land-use policy?  Are you planning on high or low density housing/residence?  A high density area lows the cost of creating the physical infrastructure: homes, lighting, water, sewerage, & etc at the risk of increase social tension(s).  

c.)  I observe a half an acre in the Willamette valley is more productive than 5 in the rain-shadow of the Cascades.   Have you sat down and done a cost/benefit analysis?  Sometimes the higher land cost is cheaper in the long run when everything is included: fencing, irrigation costs, taxes, power lines, water lines, & so forth and so on.  

d.)  Do not depend on agriculture as a income-producer.  

e.)  Where's the water coming from?  Did you check for pollution, contaminates, & all that?  Wells in New Mexico are being affected by (naturally occurring) radioactive particles, sulphates, salts, and a general lowering of the water table.  Who is upstream, what are their plans, and what happens if IBP, Tyson, or ADM tries to put one of their 50,000 unit Confinement Operations there?  

f.)  Who runs the county?  How many evangelical/conservative/assholes per acre are we talking?  Is 'Jesus Lord over Goldendale?'  Who owns the neighboring properties and are they evangelical/conservative/assholes?  

g.)  Why is the current owner selling?

h.)  Remember: a Real Estate agent gets paid by the property owners when the property sells.  They neither work for the buyer nor have any incentive to work for the buyer.  

i.)  "Over time, and since the inception of capitalism, land is the one inflation, deflation, stagnation, bust, you-name-it hedge."  Not true.  Land prices follow demographic trends.  There are towns scattered through-out the short grass prairie that could be purchased for $1 million, or so.  Of course there is bugger-all to do there -- which is why they can be had so cheap.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 08:46:57 AM EST
The title lays out your two alternatives and then says, "... Or Both". How are they contradictory?

a.) Retirement, crafts, logging, consultancies, house construction, trucking, medical personnel - the usual situations/jobs. We would certainly set up WiFi, which might be the basis of employment for certain individuals. Hospitals are in Goldendale, The Dalles (15 miles), Hood River (35 miles), White Salmon (32 miles). Goldendale has an airport, too.

b.) Moderate density housing - one to two acres per actual homesite. Three to four acres per site would accumulate into the common land pool - owned by the co-op, controlled by the co-op's members.

c.) Land in Klickitat County is not as productive as land in the Willamette River valley. However, as you say in your following point (d.), "Do not depend on agriculture as a income-producer." Agreed. The land and climate in Klickitat are suited for gardens, orchards, hay, cereal grains, though.

e.) Water is always an issue, no matter where. There's plenty out there for now. One of the best parts about owning large chunks of the place is that: 1) internal systems can be run with conservation in mind, and 2) we can have more local political impact by virtue of numbers.

f.) There are Evangelicals everywhere in the U.S. Klickitat is not run by such, but it is part of Doc Hastings' district - all the more reason to increase the progressives' presence. Getting Doc out of the House of Representatives would be a positive step.

g.) and h.) - Points understood.

i.) I think that you're saying that markets have a local character. True enough. A hedge can have a local character. If you want to preserve some kind of international level of relative strength in a currency or any kind of liquid asset, then you play The Game. The Game favors The House. Rarely does anyone not associated with The House win for any substantial length of time. Land has intrinsic value, as well as market value. In the short run you may do better in The Game. In the long run land appreciates at a level that is very commensurate with other costs of living.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (paulgspencer@gmail.com) on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 11:00:20 PM EST
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