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Relax, my dear friend, we only use genuine country products to make charcuterie lyonnaise...

What I referred to in our discussion was one of the fundamental laws of Systems Theory, namely the law of requisite variety, which says: "The variety of a control subsystem must be equal or superior to the variety of the controlled system". Variety is a measure of the number of distinct states a system can be in.

Applied to a complex system like a human society, which is fractal (i.e. the level of complexity remains the same at any level of the system), the law of requisite variety means that a small number of persons (for example a government), even highly skilled and informed, cannot master the variety/complexity of the system it has to govern, hence will not be able to tackle a number of situations.

The only case in which the law of requisite variety is respected is when the control system and the controlled system coincide, i.e. when every element of the controlled system is at the same time part of the control system. Democracy is an (imperfect) answer to this question. Further improvements mean empowerment of the systems actors at all levels. Self-organisation is one of the ways.

General System theory, first formulated by Ludwig von Bertalanffy. It started with Cybernetics and evolved  towards the theory of complex systems (or Complexity Theory) and Autopoiesis.

has been developed by many thinkers, such as Gregory Bateson, Herbert Simon, Edgar Morin and Jean-Louis Le Moigne.

Here are Jean-Louis Le Moigne's  Théorie du Système Général (in French) and an Exposition of Jean-Louis Le Moigne's Systemic Theory by a swedish researcher. (in English).

Here is a gift for you, Ventriloquist: a general analytical framework (perspective) for viewing an organization

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 at 07:40:05 AM EST
Thanks for the interesting links, Melanchthon.  There's an interesting logo at the wikipedia Systems Theory page.  An "S" in the circle...or is it?

Looking for a copy to paste here, I found "gestalt images".  How about this to...er...blow ones fuses?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 at 08:13:22 AM EST
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Aha... You posted this before I could see it ! I'm more on the perception of space part of the "Systemique"... And I thought that this sort of Charcuterie was left over to rust with us, poor followers... :-)

Good links of Le Moigne, thanks !

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman

by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 at 09:21:46 AM EST
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Merci beaucoup!

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 at 09:46:06 AM EST
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Thanks a mill for these - especially the ppt. I have to study them in detail.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Feb 21st, 2007 at 01:41:48 AM EST
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