Shame, shame, shame | 51 comments (51 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

What GDR instincts? It's the Atlanticism that does it.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 05:24:35 AM EST
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Oh Migeru, your anti-americanism is showing again: Atlanticism is a noble thing, meshing the common interests of the great democracies in a bright crusade to bring democracy, enlightenment and capitalism to all the peoples of the world, freeing them from fear and want.

The way you talk you'd think it was about being craven vassals to the US Imperium.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 05:32:33 AM EST
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Re: Shame, shame, shame (4.00 / 6)

Anyway, everyone knows that authoritarianism is an Eastern thing that never shows its face in the Noble West™.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 05:34:09 AM EST
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Atlanticism should be completely counterintuitive to Germans and any other citizens of a large European country. Her "Atlanticism" is merely the continuation of her habit from her GDR days of being the lapdog of a superpower.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 01:47:17 PM EST
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"Atlanticism should be completely counterintuitive to Germans and any other citizens of a large European country."

Why? As far as I know majority of American families trace their roots to German ancestors.

by FarEasterner on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 02:14:02 PM EST
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Why should Germans base their feelings of international solidarity on the basis of ethnicity?

The US inherited its social, political, and philosophical culture from Britain, not Germany. That is not to say that you cannot detect German influences on a local level, in Wisconsin, for example.

Many Germans like to visit America, of course. But I don't think that's because they identify with it: It's because to them it is an attractive other.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 08:04:05 PM EST
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I suggest you post that comment over at Atlantic Review, see what answers you get.

We have an ongoing quasi-debate here on ET about atlanticism. We keep asking what the point is, but nobody can explain it to us, and atlanticists don't last long before getting pissed off and running away.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 10:24:50 AM EST
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