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It's almost ridiculous to try to talk about baseline tax rates, because the enormous volume of deductions and credits can completely change the picture.  As I've mentioned before, back in, I think, 2002, I paid 28% of my income -- about $10,000 -- in taxes.  Dick Cheney, on income of about $2m, paid about 20%.

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 09:54:00 AM EST
There is something to be said for the libertarian idea of a flat tax.

A flat tax with an exempt minimum is fairer than the current system.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 09:55:42 AM EST
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A flat tax exempting people earning less than a certain level of income, would be alright with me.  Surely it would be preferable to the colossal mess we have right now.

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 09:59:28 AM EST
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a progressive tax with more than two level of taxation (which is what you are saying) without exemption and deductions would be fairer than both. Let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 11:46:57 AM EST
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Why? There's no connection between flat and simplified. You could eliminate all deductions and make a progressive system more transparent (and cheaper), you can have a flat tax with the same faults as the current system. On a side note the top rate for state and local income tax in NYC is not marginal - i.e. if you qualify it applies to all your income, not just the amount above the threshold - it's known as the clawback provision.
by MarekNYC on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 04:07:41 PM EST
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No, this is just propaganda.

Tax code complexity doesn't come from the number of tax levels (one or ten line in a table) but from the sheer number of tax exemption (99.99% of the content of your favourite tax code).

"Niche fiscales" in french. I use only two niches fiscales and I divide my income tax by two. Only 8599865 pages left in the tax code...

All tax exemptions should be unconstitutional everywhere.

If a government wants to give money to someone, the government should just write a check and book it in the budget. That way it would be fully transparent to everyone.

And remember that tax exemption are only for those who pay a decent amount of taxes, direct check can be to everyone, not just the rich.

by Laurent GUERBY on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 04:18:15 PM EST
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Nothing says the flat tax must be low, just flat.

Say 30-40 % flat tax on all incomes above 10.000 euros. These first 10.000 are completely tax free.

Or to quote Carl Bildt: No one who pays tax should recieve state subsidies, and no one who recieves subsidies should pay tax.

Though that would really just be a transparency reform, but still.

It would be great if one coule merge capital and labor taxes in some way too. Income is income, no matter the source.

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by Starvid on Fri Mar 16th, 2007 at 07:00:56 PM EST
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of course deductions etc matter, as I said
This puts much of Europe below US corporate tax rates of 35%, though to really compare one would have to look at the impact of graduated tax rates in the US and other countries, as well as available tax deductions.
but this is a significant change in policy regarding the treatment of corporations in Germany.  I frankly don't think your beef with your and Cheney's individual tax treatment (note individual, not corporate) has little to do with the issue.
by wchurchill on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 03:20:16 AM EST
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