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Cromwell certainly seems the bastard, and I think I hate then English now.  I wonder if the English or British goverment has ever acknowledge that this happened.  Ever more so, if accurate, this suggests that the origins of America as a country founded by free migrants fleeing religous oppression is wrong, very, very wrong.

I wonder if there have ever been any books written about this?  Maybe someone should write a book if not.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 03:03:21 PM EST
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the origins of America as a country founded by free migrants fleeing religous oppression is wrong

Well, we know that's bullshit because the puritans were not escaping religious opression: they wanted to go to a place where they would be the only religious game in town.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 05:47:22 PM EST
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Well Mig, that's the story, and not everyone knows it's bullshit.

Few if any I imagine know that there were Scots and Irish deported to Massachussetts.  Which is a story in and of itself.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 05:59:07 PM EST
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Imagine if it turns out the Kennedys descend from indentured servants who were sold as slaves.

The racist right can always find a way to spin that into a white supremacist frame.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 06:09:52 PM EST
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You realize today's St. Patrick's Day?

The Kennedys I believe came over during the Potato Famine 1848-1849.

In the Caribbean, there were a lot of mixed marriages, and a large number of black Irish.  Blacks who spoke Gaelic.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 06:16:51 PM EST
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You realize today's St. Patrick's Day?

LOL, I'm oblivious.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 06:24:51 PM EST
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Actually not all "Kennedys" in America are Irish. Many, like those I'm related to, were Scots or Scots-Irish and came over in the 1600s to 1700s, long before the Irish during the potato famine.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Mar 17th, 2007 at 09:55:23 PM EST
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Well, we know that's bullshit  

I don't think one can even imagine how much of the history ,as we know it, is actually bullshit...And I am sure a lot...at least  from the history I had to witness through my time and what actually has been written in those history books about it...
They say rightly "Winners write history" ...who ever they are...
I wonder what American children are learning about Vietnam war from their history books? No matter that they lost that specific war ...but they are winners in greater sense. What Vietnam's children learn about that war? Is there Universal truth???
I have heard that American ambassador in Serbia (or so) criticized Serbian history books that are telling children about NATO AGGRESSION 1999 on Serbia. He would like to find better word for it, ha-ha. But Serbian children know even without books how that felt when bombs have fallen in their neighborhood ...and killed their loved once. My daughters primary school teacher (and sport trainer) has died amongst others... Some of their school friends went crazy or sick after being drafted to the army...Your ancestors are going to tell you history as it happened. You just need to listen...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Mar 18th, 2007 at 07:32:43 AM EST
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Try telling a "Great Patriotic War" Russian veteran that America saved Europe's ass during WWII...
You'll learn the relativity of History.
by balbuz on Sun Mar 18th, 2007 at 08:25:20 AM EST
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Well yes...that's what I was talking about...truth have more then one side. I wouldn't say purely that "America saved Europe's ass" (maybe just Western Europe's ass from communism, ha-ha) but I would prefer to say that USA helped greatly to defeat Hitler. Bear in mind that more then 20 million of Russians have died in WWII...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Mar 18th, 2007 at 09:22:17 AM EST
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