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What kind of extremists?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 09:03:25 AM EST
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Anyone not in the "neoliberal consensus", so I suppose greens, hard leftists, and right-wing nationalists. Even the social democrats are in the consensus now.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 09:21:32 AM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 1)

The point is that none of those extremists favor the mini-treaty.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 09:26:14 AM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 0)

The parenthesis in Jerome's "those (usually neolibs) that blame the EU for its democracy deficit" was an attept at ignoring that.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 09:28:27 AM EST
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Oh no (none / 1)

Even the social democrats are in the consensus now.

Precisely not. The Blairists are in. The real social democrats are not in the consensus and are thus called extremists or "dinosaurs" or similarly dismissive words (like Ségolène Royal) - precisely because they're not in.

As to greens and hard leftists, you have a whole range of opinions on Europe out there.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 11:36:33 AM EST
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Re: Oh no (4.00 / 2)

Oh yes. As far as I can tell, in Spain, Germany and Italy economic policy since the fall of the Soviet bloc is pretty much the same regardless of who's in charge, and social democrats are part of the neoliberal consensus. It's a running joke that Spain doesn't need a Social-Liberal party or a modern, European centre-right party, because we have the PSOE. And that's true even under Zapatero. Solbes, the current minister, was minister before 1996 and the 8 years of Rato in the middle are pretty much indistinguishable (and had Solbes as EU commissioner). Prodi isn't much "better".

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 11:43:39 AM EST
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maybe that's true (none / 1)

from your perspective, but it's not from mine.

Competence is accountable, even if it's not kicked out of power.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 05:16:46 PM EST
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Re: maybe that's true (none / 1)

Does your perspective entail German, Spanish and Italian economic policy?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 05:20:08 PM EST
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Re: maybe that's true (none / 0)

I'll let Redstar argue the French case.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 05:56:43 PM EST
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Re: maybe that's true (none / 1)

She's left enough, even if not scoring highest on my little Le Monde test. DSK, though, not. He would fit your narrative I think.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 03:43:13 PM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 1)

Bad, bad ones. The "against us" type. What other kind is there?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 at 09:22:30 AM EST
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