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actually much of spiritual thought, particularly Buddhist and Taoist, agrees completely with this.
the only thing is that "belief" is not the proper word.. is actually a mixture of narrative explanation requirement (addressed also in the article) and social awareness. In this world (ours), reality does not matter, actually reality is not what we think that reality is. Reality is just a byproduct of the mythology we learnt when we were kids without being aware of the fact. And this is associated with a certain way to look at the world around us   also linked wiht our mythological framework. But belief systems and narratives and false-belief frames are universal. The particulars are different..and in these differences we show how to think about the human world (society) and about reality.
Some would say this insight is one of the first steps to enlightenment.
by wchurchill on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 03:26:37 PM EST
You really caught me here off guard.

I thought hte relation between eastern mystic traditions and science were mroe realted with physics and maybe neurobiology in the strict sense of mind as brain being aware of the completeness of the existence. Somehting like "seeing" the complexity or teh network of links that existence is. Not item but the whole.

I did not know that the approach to reality was so "narrative"....It's good to know taht it can really be adapted.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 04:16:51 PM EST
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one of the core concepts is that we don't actually see reality.  we all see a world that is filtered through a screen, a screen that is made up of all of our past experiences, what we have learned, our prejudices.  a master reaches a state of "emptiness", where all of that is put aside, and reality comes directly at the master, who just reacts, or not, naturally.  Emptiness is more of a Buddhist concept.

There is probably a much better verse from the Tao, but just opening it to Verse 10:
Can you coax your mind from its wandering
and keep to the original oneness?
Can you let your body become
supple as a newborn child's?
Can you cleanse your inner vision
until you see nothing but the light?

Can you love people and lead them
without imposing your will?
Can you deal with the most vital matters by letting events take their course?
Can you step back from your own mind
and thus understand all things?

Giving birth and nourishing,
having without possessing,
acting with no expectations,
leading and not trying to control;
this is the supreme virtue.

I'm sure others such as rg and Fran would have different insights, and explain much better.

by wchurchill on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 07:06:52 PM EST
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I really like tao mythology.. I love it :)

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 07:10:13 PM EST
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It seems that Abrahamic religions and Dharmic/Thaoic religions go the opposite ways. Spiritual experience in the latter religions is undressing reality from illusions. Abrahamic religions seem to pack perception with illusions. That is quite a difference.
by das monde on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 02:04:15 AM EST
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I can't really disagree with your comment now.  I would say that both Christianity (the desert saints, Thomas Merton, and others) and Islam (Sufiism) have a mystic tradition, and there may be some parallels there.  But that tradition doesn't seem to be mainstream in either of the two  religions,,,,,though maybe there is more to learn.  Merton's "New Seeds of Contemplation" is very interesting.  But I would have to admit that to my knowledge, or lack thereof, you make a good point.
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 02:36:17 AM EST
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