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There are lot of societies where the concept of self-interest does nto exist.. Actually the great majority ... actually only ours has a concept of self so much in the "extreme".

We and the bororos (not to be confused with the bononos) have two extrme vision .. we believe in "self" explicitly, bororos believe in the "colletivity of minds" explicitly.. most of the others society do not give a damn about those mythes. I mena they do nto have it, they do not exist. Most societies are positional.

It is not that they do not give a damn.. it is just no in their world view.. like adolescence for most of socieities except us this concept doe snot exist. (well actually even my grandma did not know about that adolescence stuff sicne the adolescence myths is quite recentn like fifty years).

The proper question is how you change such a basic and fuandmental mythology of western societies like the one about "you are one entity whose sense in the world is to become a person adn become better,and improve..and grow".. well you know all that stuff about being one person aand independent which must look for self-realization.

It is an absolute fact that in this case our culture is not really the mainstream one (by mainstream I mean number of societies, not of people) and actually this mythology came quite late in our technological development.. although some people claim that it helped to give the last push in the industrial revolution.

So Colman problem is "our" problem .. not the problem of human kind.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 07:31:28 AM EST
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I agree much. It is tricky to accept that your world view is not mainstream in a large picture, especially when it is most influential at the moment.
by das monde on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 07:46:42 AM EST
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There are lot of societies where the concept of self-interest does nto exist

I don't believe you: citations please?  I can believe that the expression, phrasing and emphasis is different but I have a hard time believing that there is no concept of self-interest. How do you avoid starving to death if you're not willing to act in your own interest?

You're generally citing precisely the isolated cultures outside the mainstream. The Chinese were discussing the tension between self-interest and group-interest thousands of years ago as well. Not sure about the Indians, but since they tended to act as the bridge between China and Europe I'd assume they were infected too.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 08:11:01 AM EST
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You're generally citing precisely the isolated cultures outside the mainstream.

You're clearly an unreconstructed evil imperialist and must be reeducated.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 08:20:37 AM EST
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We knew that already.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 08:44:10 AM EST
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Resistance is futile.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 09:03:47 AM EST
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As a side issue, how isolated in breeding terms are the populations you're talking about? To what extent have environmental pressures differentiated the balance of their innate tendencies from those of the mainstream? And to what extent is the balance of tendencies in 21st C humans different to that of 18th C humans. Does improved nutrition change mental development? How many complicating factors can I dig up here?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 08:46:53 AM EST
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How many complicating factors can I dig up here?

You're just trying to confuse the issue.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 08:59:35 AM EST
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No, just trying to point out that the issue is confused.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 8th, 2007 at 09:01:23 AM EST
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