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When you say you don't "totally agree" it sounds like some fits and some doesn't.  I'd be most interested in what doesn't for you.

"I would pillow myself on the stream, for I'd like to cleanse my ears" - Sun Chu (218-293) Chinese recluse
by Ren on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 05:27:56 PM EST
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I would agree that Synarchical tendencies have been present since the graeco-roman origins of W*estern society - which, though largely republican in tendency, produced a plethora of  majesty.

Well before the invention of capital, your average 'cradle of civilization' type of person (covering everybody from Icelanders to Afghanistanis), was in two minds about leadership and democracy. Both seemed good ideas - in  different circumstances. Leadership was important in times of social crisis, democracy was important in what I regard as the most equitable feat of society -which is slow improvement.

Slow improvement is what drives 'positive' societies ie "things are getting better each year" societies. Hope is a powerful tool.

But hope seems to have a multi-generational limit. ie "I will partially sacrifice my life for my children, but not my great-grandchildren - because it is all to unpredictable". The benefits of such an attitude are exmplified by a study of family companies in Europe (and, indeed, of political dynasties)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 06:53:32 PM EST
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Well before the invention of capital

Sorry to interrupt here, but curious as to when capital was invented? And who invented it?

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by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 07:03:42 PM EST
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How about Italy, de Medici, circa 1400?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Apr 14th, 2007 at 05:15:27 AM EST
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The roots of modern Capital appeared in Mediterranean Europe in the 12th century, as a way of financing long haul sea trade, where a financier would provide capital, in the form of ship and merchandise, in exchange of half the gains of the trip. The concept extended slowly to other forms of long range trade until about the 18th century.

Capital thus has its roots in trade, not industry ; and was a minor aspect of society until the 18th century. By then enriched traders started to invest in land surrounding their cities rather than keep their capital in trading ; and slowly land became considered capital.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Apr 14th, 2007 at 05:42:39 AM EST
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Thanks Sven, good connection with synarchism and the way these folks I refer to use polyarchy.  It's been awhile since I saw that term, so you forced me to do some recollecting.  Always a good thing for me.

I'm not sure if you are trying to put all societies into two general macro categories, or if you are possibly excluding from consideration those that might fall under a category of "people without history."  I'm not sure if I would see the notion of "improvement" being a factor in, say, the Kwakiutl of the Pacific Northwest Coast, as they were during their pre invasion and pre disruption period.  Some of that may have occurred in the form of small pox plagues spread across the continent through trade routes before Vancouver sailed in.  Archaeological evidence indicates they had a long, relatively stable, steady state relationship with their environment, and with their neighboring groups, each with a range of common technological adaptations, though with some different cultural manifestations.

I guess if I were to identify a major feature or in my speculative narrative, it would be the availability of an easily harvestable and relatively inexpensive abundance of energy.  I see it fueling a kind of accelerating momentum that is being managed in concert with a global effort to generate governments that are receptive to neoliberal economics.

I suspect the extreme "synarchistic" tendencies of this current U.S. administration, which is most idealistically embodied in the neocons, will give way, thanks to its monument to ineptitude, the debacle in the Middle East.  But the policies that drive it are, I'd say, non partisan.  The strategic thinker I picked for my diary is not a neocon, for example.  Just a very bright guy, well indoctrinated with the principles of neoliberalism. And he's in a critical place in the upper echelons of government to share in the planning.

"I would pillow myself on the stream, for I'd like to cleanse my ears" - Sun Chu (218-293) Chinese recluse

by Ren on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 08:54:55 PM EST
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