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Thanks for posting that, Steve.

It seems kos has posted an explanation of his comments that adds up to much less than an apology and, frankly, contradicts his earlier post which only makes it stranger.

It's not that he trashed blogger eithics, everybody knows it's a non-starter, but that he specifically trashed Kathy Sierra's experience, and by extention every woman's experience on the web. Declared it a stupid, grow-up, grow-a-spine, get-a-life issue.

I said it was misogynistic, I still think he hasn't thought it through, but we know Kos isn't ideological so this stuff probably isn't gonna ever impact his thinking. But okay, if people have problems with the m-word, then grossly insensitive will do.

And his post this evening isn't gonna achieve anything. The kos apologists/kewl kids will buy iut as they always did, those he offended will keep waiting for Godot's apology

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 03:58:21 PM EST
It's a minefield of course, but individual compassion, to me, is top priority.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 05:26:42 PM EST
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For me, the most refreshing and positive part of the Imus mess has been that basically no one has accepted any apologies, at least not in the conventional sense of, ok, you're forgiven, now let's all try to get along. Instead, Imus has been punished, and his enablers have been publicly shamed, not as much as I wish they'd been, but still, it's a small step forward.

Kos has certainly been guilty of a lack of empathy, but is that a crime? If only all the packets that have been switched to excoriate him and bemoan his insensitivity had been instead used to track down the supposedly "anonymous" men who've made Serra's life hell. Wouldn't better lessons be learned if there were pictures online of those guys being packed off to prison for a few years (or decades, if they made the threats in the U.S.)?

The older I get, the less I believe in redemption and the more contempt I have for "regrets" and "apologies."    

by Matt in NYC on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 05:47:18 PM EST
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Nobody accepted Imus' apologies cos he has never meant his apologies before, as Gwyn Ifill demonstrates, and he won't mean it this time or the next (he'll be on Fox soon enough). It's a sorry-I-got-caught apology, not an apology for what he said, for being a smart-ass bully who gets a cheap laugh from anybody who he considers unable to respond. And those enablers who encouraged him still don't get it either. Bill Maher, Russert, Kristol etc etc just don't understand why anybody is upset.

Conversely an apology from Kos, a recognition that he didn't understand, might have been accepted because he was so blatantly, factually wrong. We know he has little ideological sympathy for minority rights but, by trashing Sierra's experience, and by extention, all women's experience on the web, he effectively sided with those who'd attacked her. His non-apology simply compounded rather that error.

ps Some of Sierra's attackers have been reported to the police. It remains despicable that so many "progressives" were more concerned about their prerogatives than about how ideas of widening democratic debate on the web have been stifled by the behaviour of a few. Their silence is educational.

I share Steven D's disappointment that so many A & B list bloggers wouldn't step up. I remember a couple of years back when wise guys (hi Kevin) were effectively saying "women aren't capable of/temperamentally inclined to writing about politics cos we don't see them on political blogs". Now that canard has been well and truly trashed, surely the next step should be, "how do we stop the next generation of female democratic thinkers from learning that silence is the safest option ?" Kos's disdain hurts this process

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 06:27:10 AM EST
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