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I would simply highlight the fact that while it is true that the UK (and the Netherlands and the Scandinavian labor market "success stories") all to some extent hide their issues in the unskilled labor market with LT disability schemes, the statistics you site all still point out a pretty depressing career-starting picture for the younger cohorts of French.

This is seen in the 25-29 cohort rather strikingly, and to a bit less of an extent that of the 30-34 cohort.

The younger cohorts, esp the 20-24, run into other issues making it harder to draw any conclusions: people extend their schooling (and are therefore not part of the active population) when the job market is lousy, and tend to jump into the labor market when there are well-paid jobs to be had. The latest Unesco data on this (warning, pdf) had France actually with a lower rate of post-secondary scolarisation in 2002-03 (56%) than either the UK (64%) or the US (81%). The eight point disparity between the UK and France probably explains most of the differential in the 20-24 cohort in your chart above. (Also noteworthy: in all three countries, this rate had gone up markedly, by 5-8 points, versus the period five years prior, as the job market soured a bit for new entrants to the work force.)

Unfortunately, when you're 25-34, there's not a lot more studying you can do, and this is where France's performance is really, really weak.

And obviously, I'm not agreeing with the neo-liberal consensus that France needs labor market liberalization reforms, but it needs to be pointed out that there is indeed a problem which should be addressed, and that there were in fact alternative programs in the election campaign we just saw (Buffet's program coming first to mind) which went in the right direction.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 02:14:33 PM EST
I don't understand, 25-29 cohort has the same employment rate in FR than in UK.

Of course this is one of the cohort were the UK unemployed to inactive machine works its magic at full power.

For 19-24, you need part-time / hours worked and in school statistics to say anything more.

UK 40% of 15-19 that works is totally at odd with the french stated objective of 80% of people reaching baccalaureat at 18.

A political choice of course.

by Laurent GUERBY on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 03:33:43 PM EST
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I must not be reading the same charts.

I see 79% or so for that cohort in UK, 75% for France. Unemployment - 5% in UK, 13% in France, an eight point difference, offset by roughly half via inactive differential.

Agreed on the in school statistics for 19-24, and my unesco figures are only obliquely addressing this.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 03:40:09 PM EST
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Unemployment means nothing, just forget about it :)

Employment level is quite close, and don't forget that part time is circa 25% in the UK vs 17% in France  (43% vs 31 for women).

http://www.dnet.at/elis/Arbeitsmarkt/aminter_TEILZinter_en.pdf

The UK and France situation are very similar except than France went for the 35 hours work-week and UK for the 20 hours work-week :).

by Laurent GUERBY on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 06:03:56 PM EST
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As I said in this Part One, I'll be getting back to both the older and younger segments in the second part.

But look, I went to some lengths here to point out ([SPATS]) that I was addressing the question of the different rates and especially the UR. This is not a question of doggedly defending what happens in France, but of deconstructing talking points and soundbites based on a flimsy construct that might have meant something once, when labour forces were stable, but now means less and less.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 04:33:50 PM EST
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