European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch – 18 June | 89 comments (89 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (none / 1)

RDSE is left wing (PRG), not right IIRC.

To count the right in senate you have to add UMP (155) and UC-UDF (33) giving 188 of the senate so 56.8% on the right.

I don't know how much of UC-UDF senators can be considered friends of MoDem but I suspect very few.

On the total congress, result for the right is very slightly above 3/5 but my guess is that it's useless because it would require too much discipline and not everyone loves Sarkozy on the right (and senators mostly don't care).

by Laurent GUERBY on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 09:49:04 AM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (4.00 / 3)

Take a look at the Wikipédia link I gave with RDSE. It's a mixed bag. There's even a Villieriste.

I counted the Radicaux valoisiens as right of centre and likely (but not certain) to side with Sarkozy. It's not that I hate the Valoisiens, but I've never seen them side with the left.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 09:53:47 AM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (none / 1)

By this account even most of the PS left can be counted on the right :).

But the main point is that UC-UDF is on the right, that's what gives the french senate its right-wing untouchable majority.

by Laurent GUERBY on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 11:31:01 AM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (none / 1)

Why, where would you place the Radicaux Valoisiens? (Serious answer, please ;))

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 12:06:45 PM EST
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In a phone booth ! (none / 1)

couldn't resist.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 12:09:22 PM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (none / 1)

Some of them hold positions in both right, and left governments, it's hard to tell. May be they just went together because a party with N members could get some advantage from the senate.

But the main omission from your account is still UC-UDF :).

by Laurent GUERBY on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 01:51:01 PM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority (none / 1)

It's not missing - I called it Centre-UDF. 32 members, in fact (see the Sénat page I linked to).

Just to not give in on the Radicaux Valoisiens in-a-phone-booth (:)), when was there a Radical Valoisien in a left government?

Anyway, the real point is that Sarko would have to get out his oars and row if he wanted a 3/5 majority of Congress for anything but a consensual amendment to the constitution.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 04:09:00 PM EST
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Re: A note on the 3/5 majority CP (none / 1)

Emmanuel at Ceteris Paribus has some counting:

http://ceteris-paribus.blogspot.com/2007/06/des-rvisions-qui-se-perdent.html

[...]
Comme le relève en passant Christophe Jakubyszyn, le seuil important est bien celui des trois cinquièmes des parlementaires réunis en Congrès, soit au plus 545 suffrages sur les 908 députés et sénateurs. La droite détient-elle aujourd'hui cette majorité? Il me semble que non.
L'UMP compte aujourd'hui 155 sénateurs et 313 députés élus sous son étiquette, soit 468 parlementaires. Pour reconstituer la majorité présidentielle, il semblerait logique d'y adjoindre les 9 députés divers droite, les 22 membres du Nouveau centre, et la très libérale députée du MPF. Nous voilà à 500. On peut à la limite y rajouter une partie des 32 membres du groupe UDF au Sénat. Mais cela ne permet pas d'arriver aux fameux trois cinquièmes, même en allant chercher les aiguilles droitières dans la petite meule de foin que constitue le groupe RDSE.
[...]

Same conclusion as ours, too fragile so Nicolas Sarkozy has likely lost that option from the left relative strengh in this last election.

by Laurent GUERBY on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 06:19:22 PM EST
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European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch – 18 June | 89 comments (89 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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