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I want to make this next answer succinct and simple:

We are an Illegal Occupying Military Presence In  Iraq. So, follow me now, we are not 'at war'. We are in an occupation. I don't know what you call Afghanistan, but it smells more like an failing occupation as well, day by day it seems more and more that way.

Click on the links if you want sourced and detailed information and arguments to back that sentiment up.

Okay, here goes sentence number two: We helped to create the 'radical muslim groups' you're worried about. You might have picked that up in the links I've offered to you twice so far or at least a half dozen comments on this thread. But just in case your mouse finger couldn't manage a click, previously, here's another link.


Often, extremist Islamic movements arise in direct response to U.S. policies. The 1953 overthrow by the CIA of the moderate constitutional government of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran, followed by years of support for the brutal regime of the shah, led directly to the rise of the Islamic revolution in that country. U.S. support for the regime of Jafaar Nimeiry during most of his repressive 16-year rule of Sudan led to the destruction of much of that country's civil society, resulting in the 1989 coup by hard-line Islamist military officers who overthrew that country's brief democratic experiment. During the 1970s and 1980s, the destruction of moderate Muslim-led factions in Lebanon by U.S.-backed invasions and occupations from Syria and Israel--and later military intervention by the U.S. itself--led to a vacuum filled by more sectarian groups such as Hezbollah, even as most of the other militias that once carved up the rest of the country were disarmed by a revived central government and its Syrian backers.

The roots of Islamic radicalism stem from economic inequality, military occupation, and authoritarianism. Given that U.S. policy in the Middle East and elsewhere has often perpetuated such injustices, responsibility for the rise of radical Islamic movements can often be traced to the U.S. itself.

Washington has used the threat of Islamic fundamentalism as a justification for keeping a high military, economic and political profile in the Middle East. Yet it has often supported Muslim hardliners when they were perceived to enhance U.S. interests, as they did in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. A background report from a professor of MidEast politics can be found here...

So to ask whether we are at war or not isn't even the right question. The right question is why have we been more or less constantly invading, occupying, manipulating or warring in that region since approximately 1953? Riddle me that, batboy, and you'll work out the answer to your own question (See, I don't believe in intellectual welfare cheats: give a man to fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for the rest of his life!). But you'll have to do some reading on your own to get there.

If you still don't quite get it (understandable vis a vis your comment upstream), please click on the links for further edification...um...sorry  .... 'learning'.

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 at 11:49:09 PM EST
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