the debate was about whether Sarkozy's policies are, as i caricature them only a bit, to take from the poor to give to the rich, and whether he is a fascist with his anti-immigrant drives and fearmongering (that's where they called me not-credible, when I called on his fascist leanings by making Le Pen's ideas mainstream).

The other point is that they see the PS as being unreformed, marxist and hopelessly out of touch.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes