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I don't remember any diaries on The Bell Curve. If I had time I'd write on it (but it's a long work presenting a lot of tendentious statistics - in particular, suggesting causality after establishing correlation).

You're right that Lindsey's arguments encourage those whose minds are already set in that direction, and it's particularly difficult to change the mindset of those who believe in a level playing field and a perfect meritocracy - that is, those who believe this actually operates (in America, naturally), who don't even see it as a desirable future state. When I said "pathetic", I didn't mean "has no appeal". On the contrary - the call on subjective impressions rather than what Lindsey calls "statistical squid ink" shows careful attention to psychology and the emotions, this guy is a genuine propagandist.

But when they are saying: "you can make statistics say anything", or, "statistics obfuscate the issues", then that means the statistics are not on their side. And when their argument about the concentration of wealth at the top (a point they'd appear to be conceding) is an old Victorian view based on the Protestant work ethic, then they're not coming up with anything new. Hence my feeling that this is a defensive piece of writing.

Sorry I have no ready-made talking points for your discussion with the person who sent you this. If I have time, I'll try to deconstruct the article - or if anyone else wants to have a go?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:45:56 AM EST
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Maybe one could deconstruct it by questioning whether the causation is in the direction the article proposes, or the opposite one (poverty causes poor child-rearing, therefore inequality damages the future human capital of society as a whole) and then moving on to correlation doesn't imply causation.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:49:53 AM EST
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Absolutely. There are no doubt behaviours that are more likely to produce socio-economic "success" than others. The question is why these behaviours are reproduced.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 at 02:20:48 PM EST
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The unsuccessful ones, that is.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 at 02:23:07 PM EST
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In the absence of (sometimes quite drastic) corrective action, complex systems reinforce differences. This is quite different from the relaxation to equilibrium and homogeneity that one observes in simple systems.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 at 06:27:08 PM EST
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