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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 at 08:31:43 AM EST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/3/9238/43159

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 at 09:03:47 AM EST
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windpower is [...] reaching a stage where it becomes a noticeable source of electricity in a number of countries.

Which is really great and what ultimately matters.

Just don't build the damn things near me.

P.s. A large fraction of Swedish wind power projects have been suspended in the last year as turbine prices have shot up due to the scarcity of manufacturing capacity. In the long run it should work okay, but this tells us that the wind potential is weaker in Sweden than in other countries as the limited number of turbines are not deployed here, in spite of generous subsidies.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 at 12:10:20 PM EST
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are you willing to sit in the dark instead?  Shoulder your share of the burden maybe?
by HiD on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 05:44:19 AM EST
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No, he'll happily live next to a nuclear reactor.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 05:45:03 AM EST
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Exactly. And they can store the spent fuel in my basement if they feel like it.

By the way, I just read an interesting article. Swedish wind power is 1 TWh per year. Geothermal energy (heat pumps) is 10 TWh. Wind still gets 10 times the publicity. Wind farms are just so much more sexy and photogenic than some small holes in the ground.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 08:01:11 AM EST
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I almost said you'd happily use cooling water from a reactor as hot water for your home ;-)

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 08:45:38 AM EST
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Might as well if the @!&% reactor is close enough to cook you anyway if something goes wrong.  They have been selling vacation and retirement homes near the Lake Anna plant near here for years.  Lots of folks share the lake with the reactors.  Spooky.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 10:41:15 PM EST
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The staff at Forsmark nuclear power plant often bath in the cooling water which is released into a lagoon before it enters the sea. The water is about 30 degrees Celsius in the summer, and never goes below 10 degrees, even in winter. So with a sauna close at hand, you can bath there all the year round. :)

Ah, and I remember when they prematurely shut down the two 600 MW reactors at Barsebäck, the local fishermen complained noisily. Rare fish from more southern waters flourished just outside the plant. Not any more. :(

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Tue Jun 5th, 2007 at 08:34:29 AM EST
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Do you know that most salmon-farms in France are located in the effluents of EDF nuclear plants ? They don't advertise this too much, but it's no secret either. Serious boost to productivity.

Pierre
by Pierre on Tue Jun 5th, 2007 at 09:55:20 AM EST
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We had a small subterranean reactor, about 50 MW, supplying both hot water and power in the Stockholm suburb Farsta. It was shut down in 1973 due to low oil prices. Whoops.

Anyway, when it was shut down and replaced with oil the locals complained thy couldn't hang their clothing out to dry anymore, as it became covered in soot.

Several times it has been argued we should heat our cities with the cooling water of our big reactors, but due to political reasons it never happens. We'll see what happens post peak.


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Tue Jun 5th, 2007 at 08:36:00 AM EST
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http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2617

Interesting discussions on both dKos and TOD.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 06:15:43 AM EST
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Wind power: some lessons from 2006
The lesson here is that a regulatory framework has to be stable - or at least to evolve in predictable ways. The PTC saga was the exact opposite, and has had one simple consequence: the reluctance of turbine manufacturers to set up factories in the US, in the face of uncertainty on the demand side.

As I am sure you well know, this also was the fatal flaw in the (too successful?) subsidizing scheme for small-scale windmill projects (MEP subsidy) for the Netherlands under Balkenende II which was abruptly cut last year, August 2006, to the potential detriment of possibly hundreds of projects and the frustrations of both environmental organisations and wind industry.

DutchNews article

I did wonder: surely there must have been a more reasonable solution than just cutting the subsidy overnight. There was a government revenue gap growing because of the scheme's success, true - yet why not funnel in some extra money and cool down the subsidy a bit to stabilise the progression at a lower pace.

IMHI, making it stop because the 9% target had been reached was the lousiest excuse Wijn (now ex-minister of Economic Affairs) could pick and just showed how invested the government was in a renewable energy policy.

Jerome, you're the banker here - thoughts?

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 at 10:48:44 AM EST
raise the taxes on the non renewable generation to keep tax flows constant.

makes the renewables more desirable and the others less.

by HiD on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 05:45:37 AM EST
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For the acronym-impaired:

PTC = Production Tax Credit

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_policies/production-tax-credit-for-renewable-energy. html

I note that the USA PTC is not available to residential producers, coupled with your note about no evidence of economy of scale it might be something that can be improved upon?

What is the regulatory framework currently in France?

I've read EDF currently has to buy offshore wind kWh at 0.13 euros and onshore wind kWh at 0.082 euros for the first ten years (lower after that).

by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 at 12:21:14 PM EST
  • feed-in tariffs
    producers that quality as 'renewable' get the right to sell to the grid all their production at a guaranteed price (Germany, France, Portugal);
  • green certificates
    producers that quality as 'renewable' get the right to sell 'green certificates' in addition to their electricity (which they must sell on the market like other producers). Green certificates have a value created either by a minimum price paid for them by regulation (Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium) or because non-renewable producers have an obligation to purchase a given volume of them (Australia, UK, Italy);
  • tax support
    producers that quality as 'renewable' get the right to tax breaks linked to initial investment costs (the Netherlands) or to actual production volumes (US federal PTC)


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 06:14:52 AM EST
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thanks for this summary Jerome.  Ive forwarded the link to my Co-op's board via the only member I consider honest.  Feel like a trip to Hawaii to make a pitch?
by HiD on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 05:47:09 AM EST
The report by EERE suggests that the economies of scale from building large windfarms are not that big, which should be an encouragement for people to team up, as they have in Denmark and Germany, to invest in one or two windfarms in their community if they have the space to do so - and most rural areas could do that.

Large roundabouts could have one in the middle.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 at 08:47:57 AM EST

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