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Jurist: Terror suspects moved from CIA prisons in Europe to North Africa: report (December 06, 2005)

The US held eleven captured al Qaeda suspects at two secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe until media reports exposing the existence of the prisons shut down the facilities last month, ABC News reported Monday. The prisoners were then hastily relocated to a CIA facility in North Africa prior to the arrival of US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Europe.
Lots of links to primary media sources in there.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 02:51:45 AM EST
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North Africa means Egypt, I'd guess?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 05:13:07 AM EST
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Could be Tunisia.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 05:35:44 AM EST
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Nobody knows for sure, and North Africa is not exactly Transparency City, so it's been a lot harder for investigators to track them down.  Planespotting gets you thrown in jail as a spy around here.  The possibilities are Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco, and to a lesser extent Algeria, but I tend to think that one's unlikely for a variety of reasons.

There has also been speculation about Jordan, but there's a little less real estate to work with there, so it'd be harder to hide.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 05:58:59 AM EST
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Morocco is also a possibility. It is more "democratic" so it has "preferred non-NATO ally" status with the US, and is more likely to cooperate with the US.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 07:13:24 AM EST
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Morocco also has a history of building secret prisons of its own, and a lot of remote territory (like Egypt) where a black site could be hidden away from prying eyes.

Egypt, however, is also flat enough in most places that they could have an airstrip in the remote location.  The Egyptian interrogation sites normally mentioned in news articles are known Egyptian intelligence facilities right in Cairo, but in those places the detainees would be in the custody of Egyptian authorities, not the CIA.  There are rumors and speculations about where a black prison might be located here, but no hard evidence that I'm aware of.

A few articles have metioned Libya as a possibility as well, but I also find that unlikely, although not for the reasons you'd probably expect.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 07:26:41 AM EST
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According to Mail and Guardian. The paper version also had reports on refugees from Somalia gone missing when crossing the border to Kenya and held by other people than the Ethiopian occupational force. It hinted at American agents.
by Nomad on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 08:12:13 AM EST
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Yes, that's a very good point.  What's happening in Ethiopia (and Somalia) is very troubling.

And the US public seems to be largely unaware of it, which is even more troubling.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 01:47:41 PM EST
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Oh, and here's one for the conspiracy theorists:  The author of that story is the AP reporter who was kicked out of Ethiopia last year, and then killed in a plane crash in Cameroon last month.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 01:52:53 PM EST
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That's terrible.

:<

This dismays and upsets me, I don't know what else to say.

by Nomad on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 12:17:41 PM EST
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Yeah.  I know.  I don't mean to make light of it, either.  It's terribly sad.

He had a wife and two small kids.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 12:41:16 PM EST
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The authors of "Off the Record" acknowledge that all 39 detainees may not still be in U.S. custody, and some may have been transferred to the control of other countries. One such country is Libya, which now plays a bigger role in U.S. counterterrorism operations than was previously known.



 - from Human rights groups say there are over 39 'ghost detainees', McClatchy Newspapers, June 7, 2007.
by corncam on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 12:10:23 PM EST
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Well, the US has also used Syria for extraordinary renditions, while at the same time making the usual noises about democracy and Lebanon and sponsorship of terrorism.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 12:21:03 PM EST
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I just want to make sure everyone's aware that extraordinary renditions and CIA black sites are two different things...?  I don't doubt that prisoners have been rendered to Libya, but I do doubt that the CIA is running its own prison facility there.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 01:40:35 PM EST
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