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when the messenger is a part of the problem it is healthy to shoot him.

and mister hypocrite Gore (one of the worst individual CO2 producer in US) is just creating another social class :

  • if you are rich you can pollute as you wish and buy CO2 to "reduce your footprint" (as Gore do)
  • if you are poor you are told to reduce your way of life, give up the idea of having cars and modern appliances.
by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Sat Jul 14th, 2007 at 05:12:55 PM EST
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This is about as close to a troll comment as I've seen here.  There is no evidence produced to support these contentions, because there is no evidence to support these contentions.

This is not to say that there is not some class blindness and prejudice, but it goes both ways, as perhaps this line of shadow-talk illustrates.    

"The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan

by Captain Future (captainfuture is at sbcglobal dot net) on Sat Jul 14th, 2007 at 11:04:47 PM EST
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at least you made me laugh

are you telling me that Gore did change his fleet of SUV for some Prius ? Are you telling me that Gore is reducing is fantastic CO2 footprint as he s telling us to do ?

the last information i have, he did nothing but bought CO2.

it is quite interesting to see the move, i am waiting for a speech on the subject by Paris Hilton.

Dont expect the chineses/indians to listen these rich kids.

i would find quite disgusting for you/us to pollute and be ok with it since we are going to pay some CO2 taxes and at the same time asking poor/developing to keep a low footprint.

whatever, this showbiz event is already forgotten, noone but us talk about it anymore.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2007 at 01:43:41 AM EST
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The attack on Gore's carbon footprint has largely been engineered by the usual right wing suspects, including a small Swift Boat type organization in TN with an agenda, their "report" funneled through Drudge.  It's filled with "truthiness."  So--yes, I'm saying that he has done and is doing quite a lot to reduce his fossil fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions, including hybrid vehicles and solar power.  

I mention this because it's always worth opposing the Swift Boat virus.  Though your Paris Hilton non sequiter makes me wonder why I bother.  Try seeing the movie and reading the book before you dismiss its contents, regardless of your attitude towards the messenger.  And check the Pledge from Live Earth--it distinguishes between First World polluters, who must reduce CO2 by 90%, and the Third World, where clean energy technology is needed on a massive scale, and it is the responsibility of the rich nations to help make that happen.

On Live Earth, I quote at length this evaluation from that radical rag, TIME magazine:

But would the Earth have been better off if we all stayed home and did nothing, literally? "That's a fair thought," Linkin Park guitarist Brad Delson told TIME before his band's Tokyo show. "It's also a cynical one." He's right. It's time to get past the obsession over carbon footprint size and offsets, over who's an eco-hypocrite and who is truly green. We need to use energy far more wisely, both individually and internationally, but with hundreds of millions in the developing world getting richer and producing more carbon every day, the threat of climate change is far, far bigger than our personal conservation habits. It will require technological change and painful political choices such as carbon taxes, gas taxes and mandatory greenhouse gas emissions caps. That means, especially for the young, the un-rock star act of voting.

Live Earth's success will be measured not by the number of trees the initiative plants or the number of energy-efficient light-bulbs sold as a result, but by whether it motivates concertgoers to make climate-change their generation's political priority, and press their leaders to act on it. Al Gore and company deserve credit for putting forth a 7-point pledge for concertgoers that includes a demand that countries join an international treaty mandating a 90% cut in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. That will only happen if voters reward politicians who fight to cut carbon gas emissions, and punish those who don't. "It's not what we do today that matters," says Live Earth Tokyo's Nakajima. "It's what we all do tomorrow, and all the next days after. That's how we'll know how successful Live Earth really is."


"The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan

by Captain Future (captainfuture is at sbcglobal dot net) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 01:34:45 AM EST
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you are true, i have just googled and it appear that Gore has installed a solar panel on his manson just 2 months ago, after that the inconvenient truth about his $30,000 energy bill came to light (he need more that 1500m2 to offset that)

i havent found any evidence that he had changed his fleet of large SUV.

but at least, even in a PR move, he start to do what he preach.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 02:27:32 AM EST
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