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There are Tribes in every country aka elites, and yes each Tribe has its own mythology.

And each Tribe has to stand up proud and beat its chest against all the rest...

Btw do you think that is what Tribes would do if women ran them?

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:45:12 AM EST
Actually, the identification of the Tribe with the elites isn't accurate. You think Bush's 30% in the US are all elite? Lots of them are in the Western Tribe though.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:48:06 AM EST
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Bush's tribe is the "proud to be an American" tribe. I wonder whether those who say "Bush makes me ashamed to be American" are accusing Bush of betraying the tribe, or actually placing themselves outside it.

What are people here proud of being?

And, do you have to be proud of your tribe every time, all the time? I have to say I have a hard time saying "I'm proud to be Spanish" or "I'm proud of being European" even when I would have reason to (for instance, when I post favourable news in the open threads I never say "this makes me proud").

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:54:27 AM EST
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There are Tribes in every country aka elites

Yes, there are tribes in every country, and there are elites in every tribe. You can't say that "elite" is just another name for "tribe".

If the politics of your community is tribal, the way to becoming an elite includes ambracing and capitalising on the tribal aspects of your culture.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:55:27 AM EST
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You can't say that "elite" is just another name for "tribe".

You could, in that the elite run the tribe and define its guiding priciples even, or perhaps especially, if those require the exlcusion of most of the tribe from the elite.

It's the classic old-school British (and American) colonisation technique. You establish an elite by finding those amongst the already rich who most want to abandon their own culture and embrace your mores and reward them liberally. This encourages all others at every level of society into believing that advancement requires behaving like/adopting the attitudes of the elite, however little it actually rewards them.

This works for any ordinary societies that finds itself colonised by an elite. Once British society was dominated by an upper class whose wealth was derived from ancient rights and privileges of class. So proper behaviour invovled having a posh accent and decent manners. Now our elites are brokers and traders who are unashamedly brash, ill-mannered and drunken. We adapt accordingly.

Also, the introductory chapter of "The irony of Democracy", available here, describes some of the process quite well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0155058002/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9688410-5847824#reader-link

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 09:19:45 AM EST
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