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First of all I do think that Stephens is quite right in assuming that Putin want to restore the old Russian national pride, in doing so he is no different than, what you call, the "Western" Tribe.  

I'm sure he is: that is only part of his motivation though. There are also legitimate Russians interests at stake.

The Western Tribe has no interest in the pride of any country except to the extent that it helps their tribal standing. So they'll fuck the US into the ground so long as they win from it.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 10:45:34 AM EST
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Ah well, I do think that the US would be fucked into the ground by the "Western tribal" elites in many European countries just as US politician doesn't have European interests as their first priority.  They are of course interested in securing their own power positions individually as nationally, but that is nothing special for the so called "Western Tribe". That is a universal feature for all politicians and political elites, it is called realpolitik ala Machiavelli.  

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 01:03:47 PM EST
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US politicians don't appear to have US interests at heart.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 01:35:21 PM EST
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Now that we have a globally mobile elite whose wealth and power is not tied to immovable assets, I suspect we're going to find the elite have no allegiance to any one community or locale.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 01:43:04 PM EST
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But they're happy to leverage whatever local tribal affiliations they can use, as long as they benefit them, and as long as the natives don't realise - whether they're the Christian fundies, the netroots, or the Islamists.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 02:37:40 PM EST
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Well, I believe that many genuinely believe they do, they just don't see a difference between their personal interests and the US interests, they are working for the market anyway and that's the American isn't it?

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 03:28:38 PM EST
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