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The fact that it's always the Europeans that get testy over usage of the term "the west" says to me that Europeans are uncomfortable with implied linkages and commonalities between the US and its cultural forebearers (Britain, France, Germany, and Scandinavia top the list IMO), because that's what "the west" generally refers to.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 03:53:53 PM EST
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We get testy over the term "Europe" (poemless can attest to that ;-), and over other things too.

Personally, I am increasingly convinced I don't have an allegiance to "The West" in any of its definitions. I also get testy over the use of the term "Spain", come to that.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:24:58 PM EST
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You're just testy in general.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:35:22 PM EST
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Are you testing me?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:41:30 PM EST
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Rootless cosmopolitan indeed.

So when I'm in Europe in early '09, how will I know when I'm in Spain?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 07:05:59 PM EST
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You will know when you're in the geographical extent under control of the Kingdom of Spain, but you won't be able to know what Spain is, nor should you believe what anyone (including me) tells you it is ;-)

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2007 at 04:06:47 AM EST
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This is not the Europeans, this is really Colman and Migeru, who have taken on the thankless task of reminding us that there are a number of words that we use without really thinking about it, and trying to make us explicit what we have in mind when we do use these words.

I personally think it is a worthwhile exercise. Their tone is not testy, just genuinely curious, i think - it's just that it's uqestions that seem so strange to us because we don't ever think about these things otherwise.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:58:00 PM EST
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You're too kind. The truth is Colman and I are both mathematicians, versed in category theory, and grumpy to boot. So we mess with your heads.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2007 at 04:10:12 AM EST
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versed in category theory ... So we mess with your heads.

Well it has to have some practical use.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2007 at 04:20:27 AM EST
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Are you saying you do it on purpose?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2007 at 04:28:28 AM EST
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