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France has a nexplicit narrative of assimilation, that's precisely my point.
France also believes that immigration is good, despite the temporary reactions.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 06:45:24 PM EST
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That's not quite what I mean. If the French narrative is anything like the British one, it's going to lack the overt cheerleading 'It's all a melting pot' advertising that the US narrative has.

The key difference seems to be that patriotism is still a mainstream value in the US. We're much more suspicious of it in Europe. Aside from the racists, hardly anyone in the UK considers themselves patriotic, except in a negative 'At least we're not European' sense.

I'd guess - based on speculation - that France and Germany are mid-way between the two.

Without patriotism there isn't really anything to be assimilated into.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2007 at 08:14:02 PM EST
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There's really no patriotism in Germany as in France. When there's no World Cup around, you won't see any flags - and there's no general feeling of pride to be German. But it's a different thing about the integration of immigrants, we just don't get that right. But these two things don't seem to be directly connected.

/ After 9/11, Gerhard Schröder declared "We're all Americans now" and I was like "Huh? I'm having enough trouble with being German, thank you."

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2007 at 02:07:38 AM EST
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