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Fellow Virgo here.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 01:45:37 PM EST
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oh I wouldn't have guessed.  I would have said Sadge actually.
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 01:48:23 PM EST
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I'm a quintessential virgo, actually.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 02:27:52 PM EST
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I thought Sadge because of the love of foreign countries and poetry
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 02:33:23 PM EST
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You may be seeing the rising sign/ascendant. That sign is typically your outer "mask" or how others see/treat you. It's also possible for a person to have so many planets in a particular sign that they take on characteristics of that sign, even if their sun and ascendant aren't in it.
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:08:30 PM EST
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Yes, I agree with you - it is very difficult to just isolate the sunsign.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:12:39 PM EST
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Do you know much about Vedic astrology Fran?

I saw a google video about the Nazis and the occult and it said that Himmler's astrologer had correctly predicted an attempt on Hitler's life on July 20 1944 and Hitler's death in April 1945.  I saw his charts and it's all Vedic astrology, and each sign's degree is also subdivided into signs -Vedic astrology only uses some of the planets,  so it works out

by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:26:37 PM EST
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I know about Vedic Astrology, not sure if I could say I know much. They are more focused on the sign of the moon and the acendant, however, also use the sunsigns. In addition they have 27 moonsigns. Further, one of the main differences is that they use the sideral zodiac instead of the tropical one used in western astrology.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:31:59 PM EST
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Vedic has a reputation for making very accurate specific predictions. How much this has to do with the use of sidereal vs. tropical I don't know. Heavier emphasis on the ascendant may play a role, but I'm speculating here based on personal experience with mine-- Western astrological influences affecting my rising sign tend to affect me more than those affecting my sun sign, and I can imagine Vedic knows something about this us westerners don't. ^-^
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:00:28 PM EST
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No one's guessed my sun sign, but they usually seem to get my rising sign (which they assume is my sun sign, of course).
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:06:54 PM EST
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okay, let me try and think here.  I am not too familiar with your comments, but I would guess with your love of esoterica, that you would be a Scorpio
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:10:06 PM EST
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No, but you are closer than most people, in more ways than one.

I'm a Sadge, born November 24. So:

  1. Close to the Scorpio/Sadge cusp, which means I do have some Scorpio traits

  2. Jupiter is in Scorpio in my birth chart-- big planet, planet of luck, etc. A lot of "advice" for Scorpios tends to work for me too. (There's one astrologer whose gimmick is to look at the Jupiter sign and act like that sign, and I have to admit, that's really put a few more pieces in place in my life, though I'm willing to admit that power of suggestion may play a role.... Whichever, it's worked so far)
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:22:06 PM EST
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Sadge would have been my second guess.

I also have Jupiter in Scorpio, at 24 deg, Ascendant in Scorpio at 29.5 deg, so first house is Sadge and Jupiter playing a big role because it is conjunct to my ascendant and ruler of my first house

I always thought that is why I was tall.

by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:25:46 PM EST
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You lost me a bit. The ascendant is in the sign on the first house cusp, so if your ascendant is Scorpio, your first house would be Scorpio. Or am I totally misinterpreting what you wrote? I know houses can contain more than one sign, so do you mean the majority of your first house is in Sadge, while the very beginning where your ascendant is, is in Scorpio?

I'm still learning the house systems and am thus easily confused.

by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:54:25 PM EST
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because I am at 29.5 deg Scorpio,  my first house is about half a degree of Scorpio and 29 degrees of Sag, to simplify it.  
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:58:03 PM EST
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Okay, I think I get it. Thanks.
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:03:15 PM EST
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So although you appear to be a bastard and a sex maniac on the surface underneath your laid back? ;-)

(5 days before me so I'm entirely similar)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:40:42 PM EST
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you share a bd with Jacques Chirac?  oh, you poor man.
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:45:33 PM EST
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It's ok, I don't invite him to my party.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:55:42 PM EST
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Could be worse. According to Wikipedia, I share a birthday with Ted Bundy.
by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:13:25 PM EST
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No, you're forgetting about my ascendant. It's underneath that I'm a complete bitch. ;)

Unfortunately my ascendant appears to rule my sex life and it's waaay far away from "maniac."

by lychee on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:00:39 PM EST
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oh, sorry to hear it.   ;-)
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:06:05 PM EST
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In sharing a house with some Hippies 15 years ago, who were so new age  as to be untrue, A friend of mine and I spent an evening creating the one word description Horroscope. to instantly (And just as accurately as regular horroscopes) sum up everyone we met. I can remeber a few of them

Sagitarius came out as The one true perfect star sign (Guess the star sign of the originators) ;-)
Scorpios were Bastards
Pisces were Drunks and drug adicts
and Virgos came out as NEVER trust a Virgo


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:14:04 PM EST
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;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:23:54 PM EST
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I find that too.
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:19:13 PM EST
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I hope you announce it so we can drink and sing to you, poemless.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 01:58:03 PM EST
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can anyone tell me if women still get serenaded in Spain by their husbands, boyfriends or lovers?

I had an official serenade once when I was in Colombia and it was wonderful.  I recommend it to everyone.  

by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 02:17:27 PM EST
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this is a great idea for a small business.  minimal investment, gives unemployed musicians work and gets a lot of free PR
by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:59:14 PM EST
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Hey, Izzy was just remarking to me that we should become freelance love-letter writers.  lol.  Yes, we should not underestimate the market for sappy romanticism, or what people will be willing to do for money. :)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:26:32 PM EST
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in Latin America, husbands get up in the middle of the night to go join the band they hired to serenade their wife.  the husband usually sings along with the band.  

the serenading is done in the middle of the night, and wakes up the whole neighbourhood, but nobody complains as soon as  they realize it's a serenade.

cheap romanticism?  maybe.  but I liked it.  and so did my ex, and the band, and the whole neighbourhood who listened in.  

by zoe on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:40:55 PM EST
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And once one husband/boyfriend in a neighbourhood has done it, the rest get told "you never do anything like that for me" forcing a few more to dip into their pockets, the more that do it, the heavier the pressure on the rest.

Genius marketing. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 05:53:34 PM EST
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