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Indeed. A few miscellaneous points that I find interesting:

  • Nine out of nine of China's central governing committee are trained engineers.

  • The points that follow are substantially culture-specific in their application.

  • Manufacturing has a low status, even among fields of engineering.

  • Exalting science over engineering tends the top intellects into science, which in turn gives reason to exalt science over engineering...

  • The broad broad (but shallow) perspective on physical phenomena fostered by engineering tends to give engineers a good appreciation of science, but the deep (but narrow) perspective fostered by science tends to give scientists a poor appreciation of engineering. Note that "deep but narrow" somehow sounds superior (to my culture-tuned ear, at least) to "broad but shallow". Engineering knowledge can be deep, too, but it is of a different kind.


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by technopolitical on Tue Aug 7th, 2007 at 05:11:18 PM EST
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The broad broad (but shallow) perspective on physical phenomena fostered by engineering tends to give engineers a good appreciation of science, but the deep (but narrow) perspective fostered by science tends to give scientists a poor appreciation of engineering. Note that "deep but narrow" somehow sounds superior (to my culture-tuned ear, at least) to "broad but shallow". Engineering knowledge can be deep, too, but it is of a different kind.

the best reply to that I can think to off the top of my head is a Heinlein quote

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 7th, 2007 at 05:36:53 PM EST
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Hit the nail on the head, there.  Narrow but deep is the ONLY thing that is respected in academia, humanities just as much as the sciences.  
by Zwackus on Tue Aug 7th, 2007 at 07:17:38 PM EST
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the engineers at qinghua university were some of the only cadres who didn't get mixed up in the political upheaval of the cultural revolution. traditionally, it was grads in politics and history from the more activist student body at beida that formed the ruling class, but th3ese days, it's raining engineers.
by wu ming on Thu Aug 9th, 2007 at 02:31:17 PM EST
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I'm curious but understand if you care not to respond. Your tag, it is geared more for Anglo-American applications, or Chinese applications (thinking of almost 20 years ago)?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Thu Aug 9th, 2007 at 09:06:51 PM EST
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what do you mean by "tag"?
by wu ming on Fri Aug 10th, 2007 at 03:42:16 AM EST
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i mean wu ming.

i thought that name meant something back in the democracy movement a couple of decades ago...

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Aug 10th, 2007 at 08:08:43 AM EST
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the name wu ming is mandarin for "no name" or anonymous. although, with a different character for "ming" it could also be read as "without a mandate."

to be clear, my only contact with the chinese democracy movement has been conversations with random people on trains, and the occasional language teacher or interesting landlord. i'm american, and chose the name while studying in a language program a couple of years ago.

by wu ming on Fri Aug 10th, 2007 at 02:42:44 PM EST
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Gotcha.

I was trying to remember where I had heard this (don't speak a lick of chinese obviously) name because it was super familiar so I looked it up and it came back to me - a lot of people in the democracy movement took that name. Probably because of what it means. That must be where I heard it - no other reason to have - back in university, when I was dating someone from there and Tienanmen was happening (her sister was actually there at the square when it happened) and we were all quite involved with many other friends trying to find out what was happening.

It seems like so long ago.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Aug 10th, 2007 at 04:12:47 PM EST
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there have got to be zillions of chinese bloggers and people on BBS networks called "wu ming."

i find that 89 was a watershed year for a lot of things, but i relate far better with those who were paying attention before 89 than after 89. there's a sort of gut sense of tragedy and wounded idealism of the 6/4 generation that is quite simpatico with myself as a gen x'er.

by wu ming on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 11:30:39 PM EST
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Has the change in composition of the ruling class caused any observable differences in policy or politics?

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by technopolitical on Fri Aug 10th, 2007 at 02:19:03 AM EST
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