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A mainly consumer-goods exporter, France is hurt by an overly strong Euro, because this makes French exports less competitive. And so it is unsurprising that France's Current Accounts deficit is at record highs.
On the other hand Germany, a capital-goods exporter, loves an overly strong Euro, because the upper-end machinery it sells, increasingly to Asian nations, sells at a much more loose band of relative Euro strength.
Thus, when the Euro is strong, German manufacturers simply make more money, while French industry generally suffers (and Italian even moreso).
Given how much pain Germany visited on the rest of Western Europe in the early 1990's by re-unifying in a way which pretty much assured that the pain was greatly exported to other EU nations, and given its increase of the VAT to balance its books not so long ago essentially devalued German goods at the expense of goods from other Eurozone nations (and, coming from the "heart of Europe," ensured an acceleration of the fiscally regressive race to the bottom in finance ministries across the union), if anyone is now moving to axe the Franco-German engine, it is certainly the Merkel government and the ECB.
If the Germans think they are weakening Sarko by attacking him like this, they are dead wrong.
Though perhaps this is the point? The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
My guess is that he just wants control. It's always been sort of a strategic aim of France to bring the ECB under political control, but its independence is a sacred cow for Germany.
France's comparative advantages are clearly not the same as Germany's, and where France has comparative advantages, a strong Euro is not a positive thing. It costs more to visit France, French agro-alimentary products cost more to export consumers, ditto viticulture, perfumes, et c.
And where Germany has advantages, a strong Euro is, generally speaking, not a negative thing. Heavy-duty trucks, machinery, medical equipment, high-end petro-chemicals and pistachio-infused bratwurst. Well, everythng but that last item.
A common social, fiscal and industrial policy would help; my point is precisely that Germany is pursuing, today, fiscal and industrial policies which do not perfectly serve French interests. But this ignores monetary policy, and this is important; the ECB is de facto pursuing a "one-size-fits-all" monetary policy, with member states hamstrung by the growth and stability pact re-inforcing the one-speed mechanism, and that monetary policy today is also more in line with German interests than it is with French interests. It is notable, for instance, that Sarkozy was not alone in criticizing ECB policy in the Presidential campaign - Royal was right there with him. And if the Germans aren't complaining, this could easily be because they have nothing to complain about... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
We seem to be making a lot of conclusions from the last 18 months of economic history, which are quite different from the previous 5 to 10 years. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
Certainly the tight-money Duisenberg years were not kinds to either France or Germany, though this is arguably because of Duisenberg's historical deference to the Buba and their tight money, strong currency bias (irrespective of whether this is good for Germany or not) which is probably why he was Germany's first choice for the post. Trichet has been better for France, but again, imho, this is relative, and certainly the strong Euro is not good for France like it is for Germany. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Looking up some numbers at CBS, it seems the Netherlands have had a trade surplus since at least 1999, and is on the increase...
Now techno offers several ways to think about money, which are interesting. I think about money mostly as an institution. For the everyday person it is best if this institution is stable, for several reasons (transparancy on the market, ability to plan finances over a longer horizon, cost and risk of engaging in various kinds of transactions). This is especially true for a new currency like the euro, which people have to get used to.
Although I think that the policy to keep the euro strong and stable is generally a good one, I do not necessarily agree with every statement by Duisenberg and Trichet, of course. I do think that wage increases should not structurally go above increases in productivity, as they do in Spain -- definitely not in Germany. On the other hand, central bankers should of course speak out more against the unhealthy wealth capture by the have-mores, which they don't.
Now, how would the ECB not have a one size fits all policy? How could you differentiate interest rates within a single currency?
A uniform non-arbitrage taxation on capital flows between regions and business sectors (similar in implementation to the Tobin tax: add an extra spread by means of tax, to loan payments by one sector/region to a party in a more favored sector), agreed at EC level could enable preferential rates to underdeveloped areas, or eco/ethical businesses while controlling bubbles elsewhere, as was suggested in a previous diary by techno. It would eliminate the potential for "asymmetric shock" that was studied and dismissed before the EMU. Pierre
Some might say this surgical approach is prone to political "manipulation,"
What is not ? (prone to manipulation)
Current trend of financial and trade globalization is also a manipulation affair, with lobbies keeping a lid on some business sectors, or wiping some others. And it was largely unchecked by populations (although westerners somewhat voted "yes" with their wallets, buying invariably the imported crapware).
In any case, the devil is in the details, and having public control of the details falls back to command economies, which do not compete very well with others in expansive eras. Of course, a command economy will be better off if the current system self-organizes into a catastrophic failure. Pierre
Lest anyone gather from this that I'd advocate going back to the days when Italy's finance ministry printed money to pay for government program and that France run a 6% of GDP deficit, this is not at all the case. In fact, the GSP doesn't go far enough - why can't member states run balanced budgets? But we cannot expect this to be economically effective if no EU-wide institutions assume the role of economic growth and development oversight and promotion that sovereign member-state governments once assumed.
To give an idea, I was trying to get at this in the first diary I ever posted here, essentially the same inter-regional economic levers employed by FDR back when government actually worked in the United States (citing Galbraith et al):
The relevant rigidities are to be found in the thinking of Europe's central authorities on two levels. First, these authorities are unable, or unwilling, to foster the development of macro-economic policies that can effectively build Europe's peripheral economies through national programmes of full employment--and that, indeed, once did so in the heyday of national Keynesianism from 1945 to 1970. Second, they have been unwilling to make the vast income transfers, across national lines, that would be required to make rural or service sector or even civil-service life in Spain as attractive as it is in Sweden. In fact, present European policy is designed to work in just the opposite direction. Through monetary union and the Maastricht treaty, Europe has moved to restrict the autonomy of both monetary and fiscal policies and to impede the achievement of full employment on the national scale. Meanwhile, barriers to migration and resettlement obstruct the citizens of the European periphery from taking full advantage of the more generous social welfare systems to their north.
In fact, present European policy is designed to work in just the opposite direction. Through monetary union and the Maastricht treaty, Europe has moved to restrict the autonomy of both monetary and fiscal policies and to impede the achievement of full employment on the national scale. Meanwhile, barriers to migration and resettlement obstruct the citizens of the European periphery from taking full advantage of the more generous social welfare systems to their north.
Anyhow, I understand that enlargement has made this even more politically tricky, as predictably certain elements throughout Europe are even more averse to income transfers to poor Romania and Bulgaria than they were to income transfers to Ireland and Spain in previous decades. And in fact, I believe this is precisely why the English and the Americans, push so hard for enlargement - they baldly want the project of an effective and proserous federal Europe, one of shared sovereignty, to fail.
And, as an aside, the fact that the most effective proponents of the Europe I think we can and should be have been (to my mind overly, but no matter) conservative social democrats like Delors or Prodi tempers my naturally more leftish tendancies, if for no other reason than pragmatism.
This being said, EU-wide institutions do not grow to take the place of the fundamental role that member-state finance ministries played in guiding and spurring economic growth and development, something will have to give. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Oh come on. You have no clue. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Remember, even if these were pre-Euro days, everyone wanting in was in the ERM, and central banks were forced to pursue policies which kept their currencies within an accepted band versus other currencies. So when the Buba raised interest rates, everyone in the currency band raised interest rates. (Well, not everyone - sterling famously didn't, got massively devalued despite Major's chancellor of the exch pissed away billions of taxpayers money in reserves in defence of the pound, making George Soros a richer man in the process.)
This interest rate environment and the resulting strong currencies (the franc was trading at roughly the same as the imputed franc is now) killed off investment and really killed exports. Unemployment rates were 13% in France (and double that in Marseille) as a result; this is why I ended up in the US.
Not saying it wasn't in principle the right thing to do, if of course poorly executed. Just saying it is not at all accurate to say the rest of us didn't pay a steep price for German unification and the Germam's unilaterally decided-upon course of political, economic and monetary policy which resulted. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
You know what we say around here of "externalities": polluter pays. Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
A fair, and very, very good, deal. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
I read you to say that other countries bore the brunt of it, or at least that there was a German competitive advantage. I'd say that would be as untrue for the effects of the 1:1 decision as for direct subsidies. Again I don't debate that other countries were affected, or that Kohl's unthought-through solo action was a fatal mistake that lacked the European spirit. (I note though that later Kohl 'compensated' Mitterrand by giving him France's share in the East German pie, e.g. Total and the infamously corrupt fuel station privatisation.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
And of course you are also correct on Total viz the former DDR, though it seems to me there was a quid pro quo there. Total paid for this, directly to the Christian Democratic party... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
On the black funds from Total to the CDU, yeah, and we still don't know any details -- the dossiers from that period 'mysteriously' disappeared, and the attorneys decided that no one is to blame and there is no case... On the other hand, if my rusty memory of the case is right, even more of Total's payments found their way back into France; a real brotherly mess of corruption :-) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
In that sense, the pain of reunification was exported to other DM-zone countries. France could have chosen not to increase interest rates, and suffer a devaluation of the franc - that it did not was a very real sacrifice for the cause of European unity, which had as its prices the most painful recession in a long time. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
Thus also my contention that an independent ECB is better for most countries than the über-hawkish Bundesbank making decisions only on the basis of its perception of German needs. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
But he is also a neo-liberal, like most central bankers, and is clearly not on the side of workers. And he is bound by his mandate, which is solely price stability.
As a neo-liberal, he will preach to governments about their social spending (not part of his charge), and is given to harangues to labor unions for asking for too much pay (which, funny, is also not part of his charge, but he feels free to engage is such meddling in markets all the while insisting they be free of influence from, say, representatives of workers). You won't see Trichet pursuing full-employment policies on his own - working stiffs don't merit his attention.
But if bankers and their shareholders start losing their shirts when, say a mortgage debt crisis the other side of the planet exploses, you can be sure he will be there to "inject" some liquidity into the market to help them avoid losing some of their already considerable wealth, certainly. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
The GSP is the legacy which ensures the Buba's poisoned gift keeps on giving, long after the Buba has (thankfully) gone away. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Hm... what would have been your less optimistic expectations?
Because the expectations people had at the time, were not of a continuing crisis of East Germany (depopulation and growth rate often under that in West Germany) despite 1.5 trillion euros flowing there. Not to mention the (in)famous Kohl government promise about blühende Landschaften [hard to translate, blooming/flourishing/prosperous landscapes]. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I remember going to school and we only had water to drink for lunch, they didn't reinstate milk until somewhere round 1996. Felt like a huge luxury when we got it. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
Typically, you want your currency hedged as a function of your trading relationships, just like a company hedges it's foreign subsidiary cash flows, and that's, in grossly oversimplfied terms, how a central bank does it at the macro level.
I think Sweden, less than Finland but all the same quite significantly, was hit hard by the collapse of economic activity in the former Soviet Union in the early 1990's. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
No doubt about that. But redstar said "greatly exported", which is flat out false, and brought up the whole thingy as if Germany went through the nineties with an advantage on France, which again is false. (I think you yourself know that, from debunking some France-is-doomed rhetoric using Germany as comparison.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
For one thing, France saw interest rates rise, relative to USD, by something like 250 bp, with double digit yields on government debt. That's a huge price to pay.
Further, most all the economic activity financed by the debt which France helped pay for via that interest rate premium, happened in Germany. German jobs, German firms, German shareholders, East German beneficiaries of 1:1 conversion.
I think the word "greatly" is not out of line in this context. And for that matter, I am not alone, here's Paul Krugman, early into the Buba's tight money policy:
While a system based on German leadership did well in the 1980s, it was bound to run into trouble. Under the EMS, the Bundesbank in effect sets monetary policy for Europe; yet only Germany has a direct say in these policies. It is as if the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco controlled the U.S. money supply but was answerable only to California. That's fine as long as what is good for California is good for America and vice versa, but what if there's a conflict of interest? The conflict of interest is now upon us. Reunification creates huge needs for new spending within the enlarged Germany. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that West Germany will go from a small budget surplus in 1989 to a deficit of 3.5 percent of GNP in 1991. True to form, the Bundesbank is restricting credit to offset any inflationary effects of this fiscal expansion. German interest rates have surged since the fall of the Berlin Wall last year, rising above U.S. rates for the first time in memory and driving the mark to record highs against the dollar. This may be acceptable from Germany's point of view. But other European countries do not share in the fiscal expansion from reunification; if they go along with Germany's monetary contraction, as they must to sustain the EMS, they are threatened with recession. France's interest rates have risen as much as Germany's, and the franc has risen as much against the dollar as the mark has. It is as if, faced with a boom in California, Alan Greenspan were to focus on preventing any rise in the West Coast cost of living. By raising interest rates enough to stabilize California prices, he would plunge the rest of the U.S. into a recession. Greenspan, who answers to a national constituency, would not do this, but the Bundesbank's Karl-Otto Pohl, who runs Europe's money but answers only to Germany, would and will. Another analogy: What would have happened if the Ronald Reagan-Paul Volcker policy cocktail of the early 1980s -- fiscal deficits coupled with tight money -- had been served up under the pre-1973 dollar standard, in which other countries pegged their currencies to ours? Everyone else would have been obliged to match our high interest rates, without the stimulus from our deficits. The result would have been a global recession -- everywhere except in the U.S. So the question is whether the macroeconomics of German reunification -- a mix of budget deficits and high interest rates that is oddly reminiscent of early Reaganomics -- will destroy the EMS. A breakup of the EMS would hurt European unity, undoing much of the momentum from the agreement to unify markets in 1992. Yet the choices seem stark. Either Germany must concede that the Bundesbank answers to Europe, not merely to Germany, or the rest of Europe must endure a recession imposed by the tight monetary policy of a booming Germany.
The conflict of interest is now upon us. Reunification creates huge needs for new spending within the enlarged Germany. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that West Germany will go from a small budget surplus in 1989 to a deficit of 3.5 percent of GNP in 1991. True to form, the Bundesbank is restricting credit to offset any inflationary effects of this fiscal expansion. German interest rates have surged since the fall of the Berlin Wall last year, rising above U.S. rates for the first time in memory and driving the mark to record highs against the dollar.
This may be acceptable from Germany's point of view. But other European countries do not share in the fiscal expansion from reunification; if they go along with Germany's monetary contraction, as they must to sustain the EMS, they are threatened with recession. France's interest rates have risen as much as Germany's, and the franc has risen as much against the dollar as the mark has. It is as if, faced with a boom in California, Alan Greenspan were to focus on preventing any rise in the West Coast cost of living. By raising interest rates enough to stabilize California prices, he would plunge the rest of the U.S. into a recession. Greenspan, who answers to a national constituency, would not do this, but the Bundesbank's Karl-Otto Pohl, who runs Europe's money but answers only to Germany, would and will.
Another analogy: What would have happened if the Ronald Reagan-Paul Volcker policy cocktail of the early 1980s -- fiscal deficits coupled with tight money -- had been served up under the pre-1973 dollar standard, in which other countries pegged their currencies to ours? Everyone else would have been obliged to match our high interest rates, without the stimulus from our deficits. The result would have been a global recession -- everywhere except in the U.S.
So the question is whether the macroeconomics of German reunification -- a mix of budget deficits and high interest rates that is oddly reminiscent of early Reaganomics -- will destroy the EMS. A breakup of the EMS would hurt European unity, undoing much of the momentum from the agreement to unify markets in 1992. Yet the choices seem stark. Either Germany must concede that the Bundesbank answers to Europe, not merely to Germany, or the rest of Europe must endure a recession imposed by the tight monetary policy of a booming Germany.
And we know with hindsight, unlike Paul Krugman above, what happened. Pohl did in fact ignore the interests of the rest of Europe, and we all endured the most painful recession since World War two. And, importantly, we had no real say in the matter, if we wanted to maintain the EMS and with it, the European project. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
The primary effect of the 1:1 conversion was to singlehandedly kill off the existing East German economy, having rendered it uncompetitive on price. Resulting in mass joblessness for those happy 1:1-conversion-beneficiaries after they dutifully voted for benevolent uncle Kohl. The failure to really correct that sucked up 1.5 trillion in (West German) public funds -- way more than what the new EU members will be ever getting, yet the latter will likely be more effective (and, heh, German firms will benefit more). Germany would be counted as Sick Man of Europe, with growth lagging behind France too, for a number of years. So you can't say that the effects on France & the rest of the EU were greater than on Germany itself.
Thanks for the Krugman link, didn't knew he was this good a predictor. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Maybe by "greatly exported", you just meant a great effect, and not transporting the bulk of it, as I read it (with the context of the prior discussion)? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Sorry if I miscommunicated, I'm prone to that... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
In other words, redstar could be misunderstood, and it's better, when we manage to think of it (note to self), to avoid greatly bolstering our arguments with this kind of verbal stuffing.
I consider tax cuts for the rich a neolib race to the bottom. (One Germany participated in in the past, though didn't drive it.) But tax cuts for the rich, like the ones Sarko implemented and Steinbrück criticised, are certainly not a result of fiscal conservatism preached by German finance ministers and the ECB.
In fact, I see such a glaring contradiction that even though there is a merit to your arguments about the structural advantages and disadvantages for different countries coming from Euro and VAT decisions, and Sarko did rail against the ECB, there is no way you can rationally explain the Sarko-Merkel distance with it. Sarko's economic policies make no sense. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I doubt this will actually happen, though, and I am today pleasantly surprised that his Economics minister, Christine Lagarde, refered to by many as the "Minister to Wealthy People," seems to be putting a damper on TVA sociale plans, saying the growth envirnment is not a good one for it. Can't say she's wrong.
OTOH, I think he's right to say that the ECB has been over-tight, and have said this many times in the past. The last few quarters under Trichet have been ok, but interest rates when Duisenberg was chief were way overtight, just like when the Buba dominated what came to become the eurozone was exceptionally overtight, and Europe has paid a price for this, including European workers.
As a general rule, any move away from progressive taxation is essentially a neolib race to the bottom, no matter how you do it. The FDR's increase of the VAT could hardly be described as progressive, in fact, it is the contrary. But it has had the predicted results - slowed consumer spending, increased trade surplus, and balanced the budget on the backs of consumers to the benefit of corporations and shareholders. I guess if German corporations started turning around and giving some raises, we could sya it might not be that regressive, but we are not seeing that yet (just like it won't happen in France either if they do TVA sociale, and for the same reason - rich people like to keep their money and only give it up if they have to). The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Now that they may not actually do the TVA sociale, looks like big deficits to come. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
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