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Remember, even if these were pre-Euro days, everyone wanting in was in the ERM, and central banks were forced to pursue policies which kept their currencies within an accepted band versus other currencies. So when the Buba raised interest rates, everyone in the currency band raised interest rates. (Well, not everyone - sterling famously didn't, got massively devalued despite Major's chancellor of the exch pissed away billions of taxpayers money in reserves in defence of the pound, making George Soros a richer man in the process.)
This interest rate environment and the resulting strong currencies (the franc was trading at roughly the same as the imputed franc is now) killed off investment and really killed exports. Unemployment rates were 13% in France (and double that in Marseille) as a result; this is why I ended up in the US.
Not saying it wasn't in principle the right thing to do, if of course poorly executed. Just saying it is not at all accurate to say the rest of us didn't pay a steep price for German unification and the Germam's unilaterally decided-upon course of political, economic and monetary policy which resulted. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
You know what we say around here of "externalities": polluter pays. Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
A fair, and very, very good, deal. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
I read you to say that other countries bore the brunt of it, or at least that there was a German competitive advantage. I'd say that would be as untrue for the effects of the 1:1 decision as for direct subsidies. Again I don't debate that other countries were affected, or that Kohl's unthought-through solo action was a fatal mistake that lacked the European spirit. (I note though that later Kohl 'compensated' Mitterrand by giving him France's share in the East German pie, e.g. Total and the infamously corrupt fuel station privatisation.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
And of course you are also correct on Total viz the former DDR, though it seems to me there was a quid pro quo there. Total paid for this, directly to the Christian Democratic party... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
On the black funds from Total to the CDU, yeah, and we still don't know any details -- the dossiers from that period 'mysteriously' disappeared, and the attorneys decided that no one is to blame and there is no case... On the other hand, if my rusty memory of the case is right, even more of Total's payments found their way back into France; a real brotherly mess of corruption :-) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
In that sense, the pain of reunification was exported to other DM-zone countries. France could have chosen not to increase interest rates, and suffer a devaluation of the franc - that it did not was a very real sacrifice for the cause of European unity, which had as its prices the most painful recession in a long time. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
Thus also my contention that an independent ECB is better for most countries than the über-hawkish Bundesbank making decisions only on the basis of its perception of German needs. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
But he is also a neo-liberal, like most central bankers, and is clearly not on the side of workers. And he is bound by his mandate, which is solely price stability.
As a neo-liberal, he will preach to governments about their social spending (not part of his charge), and is given to harangues to labor unions for asking for too much pay (which, funny, is also not part of his charge, but he feels free to engage is such meddling in markets all the while insisting they be free of influence from, say, representatives of workers). You won't see Trichet pursuing full-employment policies on his own - working stiffs don't merit his attention.
But if bankers and their shareholders start losing their shirts when, say a mortgage debt crisis the other side of the planet exploses, you can be sure he will be there to "inject" some liquidity into the market to help them avoid losing some of their already considerable wealth, certainly. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
The GSP is the legacy which ensures the Buba's poisoned gift keeps on giving, long after the Buba has (thankfully) gone away. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Hm... what would have been your less optimistic expectations?
Because the expectations people had at the time, were not of a continuing crisis of East Germany (depopulation and growth rate often under that in West Germany) despite 1.5 trillion euros flowing there. Not to mention the (in)famous Kohl government promise about blühende Landschaften [hard to translate, blooming/flourishing/prosperous landscapes]. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I remember going to school and we only had water to drink for lunch, they didn't reinstate milk until somewhere round 1996. Felt like a huge luxury when we got it. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
Typically, you want your currency hedged as a function of your trading relationships, just like a company hedges it's foreign subsidiary cash flows, and that's, in grossly oversimplfied terms, how a central bank does it at the macro level.
I think Sweden, less than Finland but all the same quite significantly, was hit hard by the collapse of economic activity in the former Soviet Union in the early 1990's. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
No doubt about that. But redstar said "greatly exported", which is flat out false, and brought up the whole thingy as if Germany went through the nineties with an advantage on France, which again is false. (I think you yourself know that, from debunking some France-is-doomed rhetoric using Germany as comparison.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
For one thing, France saw interest rates rise, relative to USD, by something like 250 bp, with double digit yields on government debt. That's a huge price to pay.
Further, most all the economic activity financed by the debt which France helped pay for via that interest rate premium, happened in Germany. German jobs, German firms, German shareholders, East German beneficiaries of 1:1 conversion.
I think the word "greatly" is not out of line in this context. And for that matter, I am not alone, here's Paul Krugman, early into the Buba's tight money policy:
While a system based on German leadership did well in the 1980s, it was bound to run into trouble. Under the EMS, the Bundesbank in effect sets monetary policy for Europe; yet only Germany has a direct say in these policies. It is as if the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco controlled the U.S. money supply but was answerable only to California. That's fine as long as what is good for California is good for America and vice versa, but what if there's a conflict of interest? The conflict of interest is now upon us. Reunification creates huge needs for new spending within the enlarged Germany. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that West Germany will go from a small budget surplus in 1989 to a deficit of 3.5 percent of GNP in 1991. True to form, the Bundesbank is restricting credit to offset any inflationary effects of this fiscal expansion. German interest rates have surged since the fall of the Berlin Wall last year, rising above U.S. rates for the first time in memory and driving the mark to record highs against the dollar. This may be acceptable from Germany's point of view. But other European countries do not share in the fiscal expansion from reunification; if they go along with Germany's monetary contraction, as they must to sustain the EMS, they are threatened with recession. France's interest rates have risen as much as Germany's, and the franc has risen as much against the dollar as the mark has. It is as if, faced with a boom in California, Alan Greenspan were to focus on preventing any rise in the West Coast cost of living. By raising interest rates enough to stabilize California prices, he would plunge the rest of the U.S. into a recession. Greenspan, who answers to a national constituency, would not do this, but the Bundesbank's Karl-Otto Pohl, who runs Europe's money but answers only to Germany, would and will. Another analogy: What would have happened if the Ronald Reagan-Paul Volcker policy cocktail of the early 1980s -- fiscal deficits coupled with tight money -- had been served up under the pre-1973 dollar standard, in which other countries pegged their currencies to ours? Everyone else would have been obliged to match our high interest rates, without the stimulus from our deficits. The result would have been a global recession -- everywhere except in the U.S. So the question is whether the macroeconomics of German reunification -- a mix of budget deficits and high interest rates that is oddly reminiscent of early Reaganomics -- will destroy the EMS. A breakup of the EMS would hurt European unity, undoing much of the momentum from the agreement to unify markets in 1992. Yet the choices seem stark. Either Germany must concede that the Bundesbank answers to Europe, not merely to Germany, or the rest of Europe must endure a recession imposed by the tight monetary policy of a booming Germany.
The conflict of interest is now upon us. Reunification creates huge needs for new spending within the enlarged Germany. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that West Germany will go from a small budget surplus in 1989 to a deficit of 3.5 percent of GNP in 1991. True to form, the Bundesbank is restricting credit to offset any inflationary effects of this fiscal expansion. German interest rates have surged since the fall of the Berlin Wall last year, rising above U.S. rates for the first time in memory and driving the mark to record highs against the dollar.
This may be acceptable from Germany's point of view. But other European countries do not share in the fiscal expansion from reunification; if they go along with Germany's monetary contraction, as they must to sustain the EMS, they are threatened with recession. France's interest rates have risen as much as Germany's, and the franc has risen as much against the dollar as the mark has. It is as if, faced with a boom in California, Alan Greenspan were to focus on preventing any rise in the West Coast cost of living. By raising interest rates enough to stabilize California prices, he would plunge the rest of the U.S. into a recession. Greenspan, who answers to a national constituency, would not do this, but the Bundesbank's Karl-Otto Pohl, who runs Europe's money but answers only to Germany, would and will.
Another analogy: What would have happened if the Ronald Reagan-Paul Volcker policy cocktail of the early 1980s -- fiscal deficits coupled with tight money -- had been served up under the pre-1973 dollar standard, in which other countries pegged their currencies to ours? Everyone else would have been obliged to match our high interest rates, without the stimulus from our deficits. The result would have been a global recession -- everywhere except in the U.S.
So the question is whether the macroeconomics of German reunification -- a mix of budget deficits and high interest rates that is oddly reminiscent of early Reaganomics -- will destroy the EMS. A breakup of the EMS would hurt European unity, undoing much of the momentum from the agreement to unify markets in 1992. Yet the choices seem stark. Either Germany must concede that the Bundesbank answers to Europe, not merely to Germany, or the rest of Europe must endure a recession imposed by the tight monetary policy of a booming Germany.
And we know with hindsight, unlike Paul Krugman above, what happened. Pohl did in fact ignore the interests of the rest of Europe, and we all endured the most painful recession since World War two. And, importantly, we had no real say in the matter, if we wanted to maintain the EMS and with it, the European project. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
The primary effect of the 1:1 conversion was to singlehandedly kill off the existing East German economy, having rendered it uncompetitive on price. Resulting in mass joblessness for those happy 1:1-conversion-beneficiaries after they dutifully voted for benevolent uncle Kohl. The failure to really correct that sucked up 1.5 trillion in (West German) public funds -- way more than what the new EU members will be ever getting, yet the latter will likely be more effective (and, heh, German firms will benefit more). Germany would be counted as Sick Man of Europe, with growth lagging behind France too, for a number of years. So you can't say that the effects on France & the rest of the EU were greater than on Germany itself.
Thanks for the Krugman link, didn't knew he was this good a predictor. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Maybe by "greatly exported", you just meant a great effect, and not transporting the bulk of it, as I read it (with the context of the prior discussion)? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Sorry if I miscommunicated, I'm prone to that... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
In other words, redstar could be misunderstood, and it's better, when we manage to think of it (note to self), to avoid greatly bolstering our arguments with this kind of verbal stuffing.
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