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The gains stem from the fall of the Berlin Wall, not from reunification and especially not the way it was conducted.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 03:35:22 PM EST
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Eastern Germany had to be stabilised, there were still Soviet troops there and it's quite astounding it all worked out as well as it did. Groaning over accounting is a bit out of place.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 03:40:09 PM EST
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but saying that the balance is overall positive is not quite the same as saying there was no cost. I rpobably agree with you that overall it was a good thing, but it did entail a lot of pain for many people, and it is simply wrong to say that Germany did not exports part of the cost - and as several noted i nthe thread, with very little coordination with others.

Thus also my contention that an independent ECB is better for most countries than the über-hawkish Bundesbank making decisions only on the basis of its perception of German needs.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 04:19:31 PM EST
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If only it were more independant....

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 04:45:12 PM EST
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Do you think Trichet's hands are bound or he sold out?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 04:50:29 PM EST
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I think he is a vast improvement over his predecessor, who was indeed a Buba toady.

But he is also a neo-liberal, like most central bankers, and is clearly not on the side of workers. And he is bound by his mandate, which is solely price stability.

As a neo-liberal, he will preach to governments about their social spending (not part of his charge), and is given to harangues to labor unions for asking for too much pay (which, funny, is also not part of his charge, but he feels free to engage is such meddling in markets all the while insisting they be free of influence from, say, representatives of workers). You won't see Trichet pursuing full-employment policies on his own - working stiffs don't merit his attention.

But if bankers and their shareholders start losing their shirts when, say a mortgage debt crisis the other side of the planet exploses, you can be sure he will be there to "inject" some liquidity into the market to help them avoid losing some of their already considerable wealth, certainly.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 05:14:32 PM EST
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That all sounds sensible, and I can agree with a lot of it (how could I not), but this doesn't convert into lack of independence from the Bundesbank.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 05:57:03 PM EST
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I don't disagree, but I will point out that the one thing which really hamstrings finance ministries throughout the community is the growth and stability pact, which everyone had to agree to in order to make the Germans (and their tightwad central bankers) happy.

The GSP is the legacy which ensures the Buba's poisoned gift keeps on giving, long after the Buba has (thankfully) gone away.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 06:11:08 PM EST
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it's quite astounding it all worked out as well as it did

Hm... what would have been your less optimistic expectations?

Because the expectations people had at the time, were not of a continuing crisis of East Germany (depopulation and growth rate often under that in West Germany) despite 1.5 trillion euros flowing there. Not to mention the (in)famous Kohl government promise about blühende Landschaften [hard to translate, blooming/flourishing/prosperous landscapes].

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 11th, 2007 at 04:49:37 PM EST
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